Talk:Karabakh carpet

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I intend to expend this article to include the Armenian influence and version. As of right now it only mentions Azeri version. Hence the POV tag. VartanM 22:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the use of the tag. Also, the way this article is currently written does not correspond to the terminology found in books about antique carpets. Meowy 21:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

And a year on, nothing much has changed. Don't any editors who know about carpets frequent this page? Modern references from specialist literature on rugs is needed. Meowy 20:41, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe there's something in the page history of Karabaghs you can use. Reyk _YO! 21:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

And two years on from that "one year on" I think the article has still not got any better - in fact it has got worse. I see that "Carpet-weaving was historically a major traditional profession for the majority of the feminine population of Karabakh, including many Armenian families." has been changed to read "including many Azeri families", even though the former version had a reference. I will return it to the former version. I wish I had not sold most of my carpet books. Meowy 16:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

This entire article is bogus because Karabakh carpets don't have anything to do with Azeris. Before the Soviet Union, there is no evidence of "Azeri" carpets or Azeri carpet weavers. All these terms, "schools", history etc are all made up Azeri propagandist nonsense (same as all Azeri history). The funniest part? Azeri "historians" are of the opinion that Armenians never wove rugs and that all those Armenian designs on rugs are "Azeri". 99.7.123.116 (talk) 01:05, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The term "Azeri" is certainly modern but the people now called "Azeri" were known as "Tartars" and "Shahsavan" in earlier times and

were as active in weaving as were the Armenians. Due to a century of commercial export, removal by fleeing refugees, and state-sponsored looting during the soviet period, few Karabagh rugs can be found today in Karabagh, but extensive collections of Karabagh rugs are now housed in the state museums in Yerevan and Baku. The largest collection of Karabagh carpets in the United States (almost 100 examples) is housed in the Armenian Library and Museum of America, in Massachusetts. User:Teradactylsaur 1:16, 28 july 2012 (UTC)

Azerbaijani Part

I added more information on Azerbaijan Karabakh Carpet Making as well as picture of comparison between different schools. Im having a problem with Armenian claims here since they are biased on dubious claims and books which i cant access, even if they were available they are still very biased and present the armenian point of view i believe this article should follow the steps of Dolma or Sari Gelin where Armenian "Historical claims" which are based on their sources are not allowed to put there. Lets be honest and not make wikipedia to armepedia the whole purpose is to present factual claims not what your historians think of particular subject so i believe Armenian historian claim here are unnecessary since they carry political agenda! But please lets argue here in a civilized manner since i believe we can reach concencus on this subject as on the above articles. Agulani (talk) 07:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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Inclusion of status of the region

Dear @ZaniGiovanni:, what exactly you did not like about my last edit [1]? The historic Karabakh region includes territories outside of de-facto Artsakh, such as Agdam, Fuzuli, Kalbajar and other Azerbaijani districts. --Mastersun25 (talk) 22:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

And it was already mentioned? ZaniGiovanni (talk) 23:03, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

It was mentioned in my version to better fit the reality, yet you undid the revision. --Mastersun25 (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

You understand that historically, similar argument applies to Artsakh. The initial description was finely representing both countries, and historically as well most importantly. Meanwhile your edit was minimizing Artsakh/Armenians regarding the Karabakh region. I think you should restore the page back as it was. Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 09:57, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Once again, the wording "de-jure Azerbaijan" and "de-facto Artsakh" implies that the whole Karabakh region in controlled by Artsakh, which is not true. Karabakh includes territories such as Agdam, Fuzuli, Jabrayil and other districts, that are both de-jure and de-facto Azerbaijan. Hence I insist that the wording should be corrected. --Mastersun25 (talk) 11:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I am sorry to barge in like this, but is it truly necessary to mention the political status of the Karabakh region, especially in the introduction? This article is more cultural / geographical than anything else, after all... (This is a question to both of you, by the way.) BaxçeyêReş (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)