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Pictures

There are 4 pictures found if you search for "Chorazin" over at the Mattson-picture -collection. One is already uploaded to commons:

. Now, the pictures are of the ruins, ....but "locals" appear in all of them (for "local flavour"?)....and could, perhaps, with some trimming, be used. Also, I wonder about this structure? Unfortunately; Khalidi did not publish any pictures from the site. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I suggest merging these articles because they are talking about exactly the same place. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to merge with Chorazin. Zero^talk 04:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Karraza connection to Chorazin

@Arminden: I added a quote from Robinson, who stated that Karraza did not match Jerome's (or the gospels') description. Any idea when (or if) scholarly consensus evolved to confirm the connection? Archaeology in the 1960s suggested that the main settlement dates to the 3rd and 4th centuries, which would also not be consistent with the Biblical description. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:37, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Three sources all point to George Williams (priest) in 1842; I have not found his original work:

George Williams in 1857 (acknowledging Robinson's disagreement): [1]
PEF in 1881: [2]
1911: [3]

Onceinawhile (talk) 07:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems there are multiple modern sources that assume Chorazim=Karraza. Zero^talk 10:53, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - it is definitely the scholarly consensus. I am simply keen to add the explanation for the connection to the article - i.e. what arguments are behind that assumption, other than the similarity of the name. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Onceinawhile: That's all I have here: "The excavations in 1980 uncovered remains of the earliest phase of occupation, of the 1st and 2nd centuries AD. It was also established that some of the buildings which reused earlier architectural stones date to the 12th and 13th century AD, and not earlier, as was previously thought." Etc., nothing more about the beginnings.^[1] Arminden (talk) 19:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger, title: not so smart

The Arab village was, for all that's been posted here, a small and possibly short-lived community with no more than a stub on Wiki. The ancient village/town is mentioned in every biblical atlas, guide book, and serious archaeology book on I/P. What on Earth made you choose Kh. K. as a title? It's as if you replaced the title of the Tel Aviv article with Al-Shaykh Muwannis. (Ouch, I hope I didn't put an idea into your head...) Also, technically, you've lost the link to the twin articles in German, Spanish, French, Hebrew, Polish, Portuguese, and Russian. Alas, we did preserve those with the Arabic, Bahasa Indonesia, Persian and Urdu articles (no surprise there). Does this I/P business of virtually recreating pre-1948 Palestine on Wikipedia need to go ahead like a steamroller running amok, no matter what? Did Eurocentrism make way here to some kind of Orientcentrism more stubborn and ossified than Stalinism & Maoism taken together? There are obviously a lot of topics with an Arab Palestinian focus and primary weight, but not all that's between Jordan and Med does.

Giving up fighting the windmills. Can the merging team please restore the links to the (horribile dictu) European-language articles? Thanks. Arminden (talk) 20:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Arminden, I have fixed the inter-wiki links. I don’t mind about the name really. Could also be Korazim National Park. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Onceinawhile, great, thanks! It was addressed at no-one in particular, I intentionally didn't look at the edit history. The tendency is generalised by now, this is just one example. Chorazin would be great though, thanks. Leave Korazim for the Hebrew Wiki, in case they don't go with Chorazin; suggesting to replace one peculiar, minority choice with another has never been my point. Arminden (talk) 21:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ Negev, Avraham; Gibson, Shimon (2001). Chorazin. New York and London: Continuum. p. 118-120 (in particular 119). ISBN 0-8264-1316-1. Retrieved 7 October 2020. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

[NegevGibson-1] Negev, Avraham; Gibson, Shimon (2001). Chorazin. New York and London: Continuum. p. 118-120 (in particular 119). ISBN 0-8264-1316-1. Retrieved 7 October 2020. {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)

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