Talk:Limpa

A fact from Limpa appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 October 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that limpa, a sweet Scandinavian rye bread, was historically leavened with fermented brewer's wort?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that limpa bread is a Swedish bread made for the Christmas season?~~ The Pastry Chef's Companion: A Comprehensive Resource Guide for the Baking and Pastry Professional
- ALT1:~~... that limpa bread was leavened with fermented brewer's wort?~~ CNN

Reviewed: I'm new to DYK

Created by Spudlace (talk). Self-nominated at 05:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Spudlace, welcome to DYK! Your article is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, and no close paraphrasing seen. However, the references need to be formatted with dates and publication information; see WP:Citation templates. It would be nice to add an image to the article; have you taken one yourself, or found one on Flickr?
The hooks are not really "hooky" – they are just statements of fact. Adding a little more detail to your article, or using creative wording in the hook, will help. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 15:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoninah Thank you for the review. I'll do the templates tonight and I see that you've already added a photo. About the hook - I thought the second one was more "hooky" than the first, although perhaps a better hook for wort than for limpa. Would this be better:

- ALT2: ~~...that limpa bread is also called vörtlimpa?~~ Spudlace (talk) 19:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Most readers will have no idea what you're talking about. Can you add any more interesting detail from your sources, which would help you find an interesting angle for the hook? Yoninah (talk) 19:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's interesting that it was leavened with wort which is not a common way to leaven breads anymore. Let me see what else I can find. Spudlace (talk) 19:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So you could add more to that hook, like:
ALT1a: ~~... that limpa bread, a sweet Scandinavian staple, was historically leavened with fermented brewer's wort?~~ -- (the part about being a Scandinavian staple is not mentioned or sourced in the article, but you could add that or any other identifying phrase). Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The SDSU extension paper says it 'must always be included' in the Christmas smorgasbord served in Scandinavian homes (not just Swedish). We could change it to:

ALT1b: ... that limpa, a sweet Scandinavian rye bread, was historically leavened with fermented brewer's wort? Spudlace (talk) 21:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's good. Please provide cites for Scandinavian and sweet (or maybe: sweet and spicy). Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You mean post them here?
- Scandinavian: Smith, Leslie. "Scandinavian Ideas for a South Dakota Christmas". South Dakota State University Extension Ciricular.
- Sweet: "Interesting Variations to Breadmaker's Routines". The Los Angeles Times. January 18, 1973. Retrieved 29 September 2020.
- Rinsky, Glenn (2008). The Pastry Chef's Companion: A Comprehensive Resource Guide for the Baking and Pastry Professional. John Wiley & Sons. Spudlace (talk) 21:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No. Add them as inline cites to the article. Do you like "sweet and spicy" in the hook? Yoninah (talk) 21:51, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I like "sweet Scandinavian spice bread", there are sources for "spice bread" or "spice loaf" that I added as inline cites to the article. Spudlace (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, your first line is going off in a new direction. Limpa is a Scandinavian rye bread. It is sweetened with brown sugar, etc., and has the addition of spices. Yoninah (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Better? The inline cite for spice loaf is in the ingredients section. Does it also need an IC in the lede?. Spudlace (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, everything looks good now. You can pull hook facts from different parts of your article, as long as each is cited. ALT1b hook refs verified and cited inline. ALT1b good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interwiki links

If this is a traditional Scandinavian bread, then it should have interwiki links to Nordic language Wikipedias. However I am unable to find any. sv:Limpa is a disambiguation page, with the closest (and only really appropriate) entry being sv:brödlimpa, but that is a redirect to sv:bröd, as "brödlimpa" just means "loaf of bread" in Swedish. There is a Finnish article fi:limppu, and the Finnish and Swedish cuisines are very similar to each other but not exactly identical, but it looks like they are different kinds of bread after all. JIP | Talk 00:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This loaf seems to be called sv:vörtlimpa in Swedish. I think it's mentioned somewhere in the article. Spudlace (talk) 06:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You mean sv:vörtbröd, not sv:vörtlimpa (which doesn't exist). I tried to link this article to sv:vörtbröd on Wikidata but got an error that they are separate entities on Wikidata and I don't know how to merge them. Anyway this article is already linked to ru:Лимпа on the Russian Wikipedia, and although I don't understand Russian, I can read that "Лимпа" reads "Limpa" in Cyrillic. JIP | Talk 15:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Limpa is to generic

"Limpa" refers to all type of bread loafs. If some said that wanted to buy a "limpa" no one in Sweden would think they meant vörtbröd. 83.250.42.217 (talk) 07:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Limpa is a general term for loaf, not specifically of rye bread

The article is wrong. "Limpa" is the Swedish word for "loaf", it is not a term used to describe a specific type of rye bread. If anything its more common to use it for other types of bread. 147.28.73.169 (talk) 13:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vörtbröd is the correct name

This type of bread is NOT called "limpa", thats a name for any type of bread. 95.199.17.79 (talk) 08:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is correct. Vörtbröd is the Christmas specific type of rye bread. Nothing else. It's never ever called limpa. Nimoria (talk) 16:08, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 September 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that, regardless of the terminology used in Swedish, the English-language WP:COMMONNAME is "limpa". (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Limpa → Vörtbröd – As per discussion. Limpa means loaf. This bread is called vörtbröd. The top image is however not depicting a vörtbröd but some other kind of bread. Ariam (talk) 11:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Lightoil (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Edward-Woodrow • talk 20:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:NCUE unless there is other evidence showing that the proposed term is the WP:COMMONNAME in English. The image can be corrected if necessary, but the sources for this article suggest that "limpa" is the term used in English regardless of whether the term is correct in Swedish. Note that before a few edits ago, the beginning of the article explained this correctly, stating "Limpa (Swedish for loaf) is a sweet Scandinavian rye bread, associated with Swedish cuisine" but not arguing that this word is used to refer to this kind of bread in Swedish. The first cite on that sentence also backs up this usage in English. Dekimasuよ! 13:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I've never encountered the term limpa in English (or seen this type of bread sold in the UK where I spent a couple of years), but the Swedish word basically means loaf and is used for this shape and size for any type of bread. (See Here is SAOB for etymology.) Shortening vörtlimpa (which today would be a more informal designation than vörtbröd) to limpa therefore simply isn't correct, since it no longer indicates the type of bread, only the shape. But it could be used in everyday talk, such as "do you want another slice of the limpa?", when you don't need to specify the type of bread. It seems obvious that the newspaper sources in the article haven't understood this distinction. The lead could include vörtlimpa as a synonym to indicate this. Tomas e (talk) 08:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose: sourcing appears to indicate a common English usage of limpa to describe this type of bread. While the specific type of bread has a far more accurate name in its native Swedish, the American English word for this seems to now be the generic limpa. The limited academic sourcing appears to support this. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Limpa is not vörtbröd.

Limpa means loaf in Swedish and is a description of shape rather than a specific type of bread. There is e.g. köttfärslimpa which is the name for meat loaf. Another example is a limpa cigaretter which is a large box of cigarette packages. A brödlimpa can be any type of bread shaped as a loaf. 195.41.8.204 (talk) 10:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]