Talk:List of Irish dishes

Cottage pie - also known as?

The article mentions that cottage pie is also known as shepherd's pie. Perhaps this is true in other countries, but in Ireland (the topic of this article) cottage pie is made using minced beef, while shepherd's pie is made using minced lamb. ^Mac Tíre _Cowag 22:48, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I am a chef and this is absolutely correct it's only called shepherd's pie when made with minced Lamb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janvantonder (talk • contribs) 15:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Black pudding picture

It's a shame that the picture associated with the black pudding is for a non-Irish version of the dish. Didn't see anything convenient and better to replace it with though. –Donal Fellows (talk) 12:19, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Any searches here http://www.flickr.com/search/?l=commderiv will be fair game. Let me know if you need help. By the way, black pudding is gross. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

A picture of Irish black pudding has been uploaded and introduced. By the way, black pudding is delicious. — O'Dea (talk) 08:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Is the cuisine Irish?

The following items in this list are not in any sense Irish cuisine, but international cuisine imported to Ireland largely by fast-food outlets:

Batter burger, Breakfast roll, Curry chips, Garlic cheese chips, Jambon, Snack box, Spice bag, Spice burger, Taco chips

The fact that they are available in Ireland does not make them Irish.

Please note also that despite an earlier conversation Cottage pie is still described as made of beef.In Ireland it is never made with beef, rather lamb or mutton, the same as Irish stew (never beef). Ohuanam (talk) 09:56, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I definitely don't agree with your assertion about the list of food there, in particular the Spice bag and the Spice burger are very Irish, invented and manufactured in Ireland respectively. The Breakfast roll has a large cultural pop cultural significance, as well as the Batter burger (as mentioned in the article on Pattys). The sauce to make curry chips is a large market in Ireland. Garlic cheese chips could be viewed as Irish as Canadian Poutine, and have a strong association with Irish fast food chains such as Supermacs, similar with taco chips and Abrakebabra. Are jambons in the Irish form found anywhere else?

I would agree that traditionally the shepherd's pie and stew were made with other meats other than beef, but probably not so much the case anymore. I have some books I recently bought on Irish food, so that I can definitely find a strong citation for.

My issue I have with your assertion here is that it seems to reject the more modern foods that are made, sold and are popular in Ireland, and that it seems to place fast or deli food in an "other" category which creates a false hierarchy. This is not the "cuisine" of Ireland, these are Irish dishes - i.e. food that has developed a peculiarly Irish form or is unique to Irish food outlets. Smirkybec (talk) 20:45, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I cannot find anything that backs up (or definitely refutes) that cottage/shepherd's pie in Ireland is always made with a specific meat, other than this throw away line: "we're not sure why it is that the Irish make their shepherd's pie with beef mince". I would not think of Irish Central as a strong source. Neither book I have on Irish food makes mention of the pie in either form. Smirkybec (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Just seeing this now and I have to say, I concur with @Smirkybec: here. Pretty-much all of these dishes originated in Ireland, some as part of the fast-food and deli trade, but are nevertheless peculiarly Irish. To us emigrants, they gain in significance as they're basically all unobtainable outside the island itself, and it's almost a tradition to down a Supermac's 'chip, garlic and cheese' within 15 minutes of landing at Dublin Airport. They're not exactly 'high' cuisine maybe, nor archaic-traditional like brown soda bread, but they're still very much part of our culture, IMO - Alison ^❤ 00:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm with you on the "snack box" in particular. Fried chicken and chips has its origins in the US South (hence KFC). As far as I know, it's no more popular in Ireland than elsewhere (and it's vastly more popular in Japan and the USA). It no more merits a place on this list than cheeseburgers, kebabs or choc-ices. 95.123.54.18 (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Just because these items are fast food does not mean they are not an Irish phenomenon. —Legoless (talk) 22:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Indeed not. But by what criterion can fried chicken be considered an Irish phenomenon? I know it's popular, but not remarkably so compared to other countries. 95.123.54.18 (talk) 13:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

What are you basing that assertion on? The phenomena of Hillbilly's in Cork and Chicken Hut in Limerick alone would refute that. Smirkybec (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Well, I was admittedly basing it on the global presence of fried chicken chains by country. I'm not convinced that the success of Hillbilly's and Chicken Hut refutes that, but let's not fall out. My basic objection is that this article states: "This is a list of dishes found in Irish cuisine. Irish cuisine is a style of cooking originating from Ireland or developed by Irish people." And I really can't for the life of me see how the "snack box" fits the bill. 95.123.54.18 (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

A simple fix was to tweak the lead section to better reflect the listed items. Smirkybec (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Maith thu! I could argue that the "snack box" isn't much of an adaptation, but 'tis only a poultry matter. 95.123.54.18 (talk) 19:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I see what you did there! :D - Alison ^talk 19:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Well you know, I wouldn't want to fall fowl of the editors. 95.123.54.18 (talk) 19:36, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I won't be happy until I have suitable references to include the traditional Irish salad... Smirkybec (talk) 14:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Careful now. Think of the damage that could do to the tourist industry. That photo brought back (possibly suppressed) childhood memories of trying to protect my breaded ham and potato salad from the tide of deep purple vinegar advancing across the plate. (The trick with pickled beetroot, by the way, is storage: it should always be kept on the supermarket shelf.) 95.123.54.18 (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

If there aren't shiny peas and diced carrots out of a tin, it's not real. OMG - I just had a flashback to the days of Sandwich Spread! :o - Alison ^talk 15:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I'll see your Sandwich Spread and raise you a can of Heinz Toast Toppers. 95.123.54.18 (talk) 16:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)