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Splitting table into league and total appearances

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I have changed the table back so as League and Total appearances/goals are shown separately. Some club articles split league and totals, whilst others include just overall totals. However, there is no complete on-line stats website for all Leicester players, including non-league (other) games. Therefore, it is much easier if league totals are separated from other games. This allows entries to be added for players where only their league totals are known (e.g. using the Neil Brown website). Even if there were/is a complete Leciester stats website I see no harm in separately listing league games, as league appearances of players are often quoted and can be useful to know, and of course in Wikipedia the player infoboxes are supposed to summarise league games only. I intend to add some text to the article explaining which competitions are deemed notable. Eldumpo (talk) 21:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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We shouldn't be using that website as a reference if it is incomplete. The best place for complete player stats for Leicester players is the reference book (and club bible) Of Fossils and Foxes which has the complete playing history of every single player ever to play for the club and the line-up, substitutes and scorers for every single competitive game the club has ever played (this is where I also got all of the player stats from the players I added to the table, sorry I should have sourced it). Reference books such as OFAF are generally considered a much better source than websites for wikipedia, because reference books are always properly researched and double and triple checked by editors and publishers (OFAF has also been sold in the club shop also as it is sanctioned by the club and has gone through the club's official records for history etc), whereas websites can be published by anyone without any proof reading or research.

Generally, in club history pages, complete competitive playing records are used because Leicester have not just playing in the league throughout their history, other competitive competitions are important as well. It makes no real sense to put league appearances in there, unless you are also going to list the appearances for the Play-offs, FA Cup, League Cup, Cup Winners Cup, UEFA Cup, Full Members Cup, Charity Shield, Johnstone's Paint Trophy etc. as well.

Also, the "Explanation" section you have done at the top of the page are table footnoted which belong in the "Notes" section at the bottom of the page, not an "Explanation" section at the top of the page, see: Template:Note label for more details. --MIR17 (talk) 00:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong with listing the filbert street website just because it's incomplete (as long as what is there is generally accurate, which I believe it is), but the fact that you have the OFAF book is good and I see it is now sourced in the article. Whilst having book sources is fine, the advantage of web sources is that people can check data directly, but it would seem that the OFAF book is the best overall source for club stats, though the Neil Brown website and the Michael Joyce pre-WW2 book are, as far as I'm aware, accurate sources for League stats only. However, care needs to be taken in not using a single source just because it is convenient and to hand.
However, I still don't understand why you don't want league stats to ALSO be included as well as total apps - surely it can only be a benefit to have both. I outlined the reason as to why League apps are meaningful on the talk page, but essentially they are often quoted by various sources (including the League stats references mentioned above), and League stats only form the basis of player infoboxes in Wikipedia, so the list we are building can be used as a quick check against infoboxes if needed. Is it simply the case that League stats are not sub-divided in the OFAF book - they must be though surely?
I have no problem if you feel that my competition notes should be moved around, although I see you have already reverted my changes relating to the league/total split. I believe it would have been best to leave that aspect of the article whilst we were having a discussion on it. Does the OFAF book include the same competitions as I included in my note? Eldumpo (talk) 09:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, OFAF divides appearances and goals into competitions and then lists wartime apps and goals separately. It just seems strange having league stats but not the stats for the other competitions to see how the totals add up. However, I think what we could do is list the League, FA cup, League Cup and Others apps/goals in separate columns and then have a "Total" at the end as I have done with the top goalscorers and most appearences tables on the List of Leicester City F.C. records and statistics page. --MIR17 (talk) 12:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that League stats are different to other competitions in that they are the only fixed appearances at the start of the season and are very much the "bread and butter" fixtures. However I am happy with your compromise of listing Lge, FAC, LC and Other and then Total (as per the link you show), but the only problem would be a space one if you tried to do apps and goals for each competition, or would you propose to do apps-only for the competitions and then just show goals for the Total column? Eldumpo (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just tried the outline to it to check and it looks fine for space to me. Tell me what you think. --MIR17 (talk) 14:42, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think that works pretty well space-wise. I assume you will look to fill in most of the stats as they are in the book. If there are any discrepancies with other sources we can always consider on a case by case basis. One suggestion though to make the list a bit more readable is to try and make entries in the Notes column a bit shorter if possible, in order to reduce space taken up. Another suggestion is that the 'Nationality' column be changed to say 'Leicester International' (or a shortened version), in order to record those players who gained full international caps whilst on Leicester's books. The column would be blank for those players not capped, and in any case, it is often not clear what 'nationality' a player is unless they have played international football. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks. I'll try and finish it then see about the international thing. Nationality for a non-international player is where he was born. --MIR17 (talk) 01:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone mind if I split the player names into Forename(s) and Surname(s)? The reason for this is so that the players can be ordered by either their Surname or Forname.

Nobody has complained so I've gone ahead and edited the table. Hope everyone likes the change.
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Andrej Kramaric

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Why is he not included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.67.13.101 (talk) 08:15, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neil Lewis

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Why isn't Neil Lewis in the former Leicester city past players 2A02:C7F:4177:3200:D6F:6A6C:AB74:E615 (talk) 17:13, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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