Talk:List of fatalities at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway

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Tony Renna doesn't really belong in this article, does he? His death didn't have anything to do with the Indy 500. CitiCat^♫ 04:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note that the issue in my previous comment has been addressed. CitiCat^♫ 06:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate listing

Year	Total	Fatalities
1909	5	William Bourque, Harry Holcomb, Claude Kellum, Omar Jolliffe, James West
1910	1	Tom Kincade
1911	1	Sam Dickson
1912	0
1913	1	Harry Martin
1914	0
1915	1	Albert Johnson
1916	0
1919	3	Arthur Thurman, Louis LeCocq, Robert Bandini
1920	0
1921	0
1922	0
1923	1	Bert Shoup
1924	0
1925	0
1926	1	Herbert Jones
1927	0
1928	0
1929	1	Bill Spence
1930	1	Paul Marshall
1931	3	Joe Caccia, Clarence Grove, Wilbur Brink
1932	2	Harry Cox, M. C. Jones
1933	5	Bill Denver, Bob Hurst, Mark Billman, Lester Spangler, G. L. Jordan
1934	2	Pete Kreis, Bob Hahn
1935	4	Johnny Hannon, Stubby Stubblefield, Leo Whitaker, Clay Weatherly
1936	0
1937	3	Otto Rohde, George Warford, Albert Opalko
1938	1	Everett Spence
1939	2	Floyd Roberts, Lawson Harris
1940	1	George Bailey
1941	0
1946	0
1947	1	Shorty Cantlon
1948	1	Ralph Hepburn
1949	1	George Metzler
1950	0
1951	0
1952	0
1953	2	Chet Miller, Carl Scarborough
1954	0
1955	2	Manny Ayulo, Bill Vukovich
1956	0
1957	1	Keith Andrews
1958	1	Pat O'Connor
1959	2	Jerry Unser, Bob Cortner
1960	2	William Craig, Fred Linder
1961	2	Tony Bettenhausen, John Masariu
1962	0
1963	0
1964	4	Dave MacDonald, Eddie Sachs, Jerry Albright, James Cross
1965	0
1966	1	Chuck Rodee
1967	0
1968	1	Mike Spence
1969	0
1970	0
1971	0
1972	1	Jim Malloy
1973	3	Art Pollard, Swede Savage, Armando Teran
1974	1	Leroy Elwell
1975	0
1976	0
1977	0
1978	0
1979	0
1980	1	Tim Vail
1981	0
1982	1	Gordon Smiley
1983	0
1984	0
1985	0
1986	0
1987	1	Lyle Kurtenbach
1988	0
1989	0
1990	0
1991	1	Stephen White
1992	1	Jovy Marcelo
1993	0
1994	0
1995	0
1996	1	Scott Brayton
1997	0
1998	0
1999	0
2000	0
2001	0
2002	0
2003	1	Tony Renna
2004	1	Art Morris
2005	0
2006	0
2007	0
2008	0
2009	0
2010	1	Peter Lenz
since 2011	0
	74	Drivers/riders: 43; Riding mechanics: 13; Others: 18

Fatalities that occurred on a warm-up lap during time trials

At least the following racers seem to/may have been killed in such a situation:

Harry Cox: "The men [...] were making a practice spin preparing to try to qualify for the 500-mile race ..." [1]; "The two were warming up the entry of Alvin R. Jones preparing for the fifth day's qualifying trials ..." [2]

Bill Denver/Bob Hurst: [3]/[4]; "Denver had made one circuit of the track, preparatory to trying to qualify the car." [5]

Chuck Rodee: [6]

Gordon Smiley: [7]; "... warming up to qualify ..."; "We were set to take the green (starting flag for qualifying) on that lap ..." [8]

--Fluidfellow (talk) 20:29, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Scope of article

IMS may have seen additional fatalities from heart attacks or other medical conditions over the decades of its operation that have remained unknown to the public. Hence, the list of fatalities may be incomplete. This could be remedied by only including people who lost their lives as a result of a distinct on-track racing situation, which may be what viewers of the page expect anyway. To achieve that the following fatalities would have to be removed from the list: William Craig and Fred Linder, Jerry Albright and James Cross, Tim Vail, Stephen White, and Art Morris.--Fluidfellow (talk) 03:57, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In 1974 a spectator died from a heart attack [9] Doctorindy↔Talk 20:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added.--Fluidfellow (talk) 00:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need to name the child who hit Peter Lenz?

The article says, "Peter Lenz, 13, fell and was accidentally run over by the motorcycle of 12-year-old Xavier Zayat." Zayat's name is hyperlinked as if someone thinks there should be an article about him, but there isn't one. As he does not appear to be notable in his own right or for anything other than this single news story, as this was an accident for which he doesn't appear to be responsible (Lenz hit an improper-spec kerb that should not have been in place), as he is presumably a living person, and as he was a 12-year-old child at the time of the crash, I think it's a very bad idea and absolutely unnecessary to name him. I think the article should say "Peter Lenz, 13, fell and was accidentally run over by a 12-year-old competitor." I think it would be far more meaningful to mention the improper kerbing than the name of the boy who has to live with this tragedy that wasn't of his own making. Yes, he's an adult now, but he was a child at the time, and he had a child's skill and a child's judgement. If there's no specific reason to name him, I think it's time we stop doing so. His name is given in the wikinews article. I think that's more than enough. Dcs002 (talk) 00:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additional: Here's how the Sidney Herald handled it: "Tragedy struck during the first race of the day at the Indianapolis Speedway when 13-year-old racer Peter Lenz died after crashing and being run over by another young competitor." I think we should do something like that. In the given cit and in at least one other source, the family of Peter Lenz said at least twice in their comments after the crash that their hearts were with the other rider, and with his family, because they were involved too. Is the name of a child involved in a fatal accident but not at fault really encyclopedic information? Dcs002 (talk) 00:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]