Talk:List of road routes in Victoria (numeric)

Sturt Highway

An editor had previously removed the article's National Route 20 listing, stating "National route 20 never existed in vic. Only in NSW and SA". I am aware the original alignment of the Sturt Highway originally bypassed Victoria (running from Buronga through Wentworth, crossing the NSW/SA border to connect to Renmark) in the early 20th century. However, I have discovered a source from a NSW Main Roads article from 1954 - the year before the Sturt Highway was allocated National Highway 20 - clearly stating the alignment through Victoria at the time.

The source is here: [1], page 6.

I will therefore reinstate the listing as we have a government source stating its alignment before the National Highway numbering scheme was rolled out.

Lordstorm (talk) 03:01, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Guidlines to adding/editing road routes

(Copied from the Talk:List of road routes in Victoria page: it references the new alphanumeric routes listed there, but is relevant to the decommissioning of the older system also)

With a lot of recent unverified edits on this page recently, we need to restate acceptable guidelines as to what to add.

As mentioned here earlier, the Melbourne system is currently in a state of flux, changing from one allocation system to another, and this will to some initial confusion. However, we want our information to be as correct as it can be at the time we add it: this means information should have a reliable source. Not a source mentioned somewhere off another site: sources must be listed here.

Sources must be official: these are route routes allocated to Victorian roads, so in this case, a Victorian government or VicRoads source are ultimately the only acceptable sources. This does not include, however, VicRoads Traffic Engineering Manuals (TEMs): while some of their allocations used in these documents have later turned out to be correct, many others have not; this information is speculative at best and is usually used only as examples. The only real online source we currently have is the Route Numbering Scheme (SRNS). Sadly, it doesn't seem to he updated regularly, so a work-around for that is simply to get visual confirmation: a detailed photo (or capture on Google Street View) of the route allocation is acceptable. Mapping tools (like OpenStreetMap) are not reliable sources, because anyone can edit them: this includes Google Maps, which may use official details but does get things wrong, and is updated by a corporation, so their priorities aren't the same. Online groups (like discussion boards, Google Groups, roads forums) are not reliable sources, for obvious reasons.

Also, it has been previously established that no proposed routes are to be listed until the change has actually gone live and the new route has been sign-posted, because it can be changed or even cancelled (it is "proposed" after all), and can be incredibly confusing if it ends up used elsewhere; this includes projects under construction (and their documents) using future allocations, for similar reasons: the route is only live once the road has been officially opened. Some routes have been converted but remain coverplated: these really aren't live either until the new signage is displayed and cover-plating is removed.

Lastly, regarding the edits themselves: edits are far less likely to be overwritten or reverted if users sign in and use edit summaries! Anonymous edits are automatically suspect (and Wikipedia already heavily discourages this) and edit summaries make version control easier....and is just being nice, people!

Trivial, unverified, unsourced, anonymous edits will be reverted. We are trying to be factual: discussion, conjecture, and "what-if" scenarios can be discussed on plenty of other sites....just not on the Wikipedia article please, that's not what it's for.

Please let me know if I've missed something, or haven't considered other circumstances. Lordstorm (talk) 06:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Terminology

Just wanted to ask about the terminology used in this article. Throughout, the metropolitan routes are referred to as state routes (ie, metropolitan route 40 is referred to as state route 40). The Traffic Engineering Manual (TEM) on the subject [2] seems to suggest the correct usage to refer to them as "metropolitan route X" where X is the route number (see clause 4.2 with examples of this use on page 158 and 159). Just wanted to know if there was any reason for the way the article is written currently, and whether there were any objections to changing it? Bananalab (talk) 07:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I must apologise for the mis-terming, you are correct, these routes are indeed referred to as Metropolitan Routes. I was trying to find a way - with references, which you have have handily mentioned - to describe in a brief paragraph that they're known as metropolitan routes in the state of Victoria. I was going to do this myself, but there has been much else to correct or document on this article, and simply haven't gotten around to it; there's also the added wrinkle that Victoria is the only state to call them "Metropolitan Routes", as these are called "State Routes" in all other Australian states. No objections to changing it if these points are mentioned. Lordstorm (talk) 06:03, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Very much overdue, I agree, but I've started the conversion to the correct terminology: Metropolitan Routes in Greater Melbourne, and State Routes across rural Victoria. I've shortened "Metropolitan" to "Metro" as such a long term would throw a lot of spacing and alignment out of place in already-long tables. Lordstorm (talk) 07:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Tourist Drives

Hello everyone. I am a new editor here and wanted to ask about adding and editing Tourist Drive information. Tourist Drives in Victoria seem to have never been documented very well (at least not publicly) and it's quite hard to find information regarding many of the routes, with this Wikipedia article being the only real source for many of them. As such, I am wondering what exactly is the policy for adding and editing Tourist Drives in this article. I have spent a lot of my free time trying to form maps of Tourist Drives in Victoria using old Streetview images and any paper and digital maps I can find. I can verify many of the routes listed in this article, however there are some errors and of course a large number of routes missing altogether. I would like for this article to be as comprehensive and accurate as reasonably possible, despite limited sources. Thank you all for your time. AUroadgeek7 (talk) 06:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

As long as you've got sources to back up your additions (even Google Street View photos are fine) then feel free to go ahead and add them to the article. – numbermaniac 06:53, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Bendigo

How do you get from B260 to B280? That isn't one road. Consider adding more routes to that row. Jordf32123 (talk) 00:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about the SR141 row. Both roads meet in Bendigo so I'm guessing the route snaked from one highway to the other through the streets of Bendigo. I don't know what the best source is for the old route numbers, but we'd have to look that up to know exactly how SR141 got from one to the other. – numbermaniac 08:37, 8 July 2024 (UTC)