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Spin-off

Spun-off history and information on the original Maple Leaf Wrestling into its own article to avoid confusion.

I'd also suggest verifying the information on that page matches that of these sources:

Thecleanerand (talk) 14:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hell. Fucking. No. This is tantamount to a cut-and-paste page move. Since there's no direct connection between the two promotions, the current promotion should have been created as a new article, not piggybacked onto an established article in the hopes that it would receive greater exposure. SeosiWrestling, you created this mess. Are you going to fix this or are you going to force others to fix it for you? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 19:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about hello, hi, how are you? You can just say I made a mistake and I can fix it. Although, it's clear that it's related to the original Maple Leaf Wrestling, as you can read it on their press release back on August 8th. @RadioKAOS. SeosiWrestling (talk) 12:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Press releases are promotional tools, not neutral sources. Your undiscussed move of this page was very much a huge mistake and needs to be undone. oknazevad (talk) 10:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly, this is an issue between you and SeosiWrestling, so I'll leave it up to you two.

I agree wholeheartedly that the new promotion should have been given its own page; which is why I essentially separated "Maple Leaf Wrestling" from "Maple Leaf Pro Wrestling". If there's a problem with that, you can move the content on the "History of Maple Leaf Wrestling" page back to the original Maple Leaf Wrestling page; since it's essentially the same page minus the Revival section. Thecleanerand (talk) 14:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Response to removal of valid maintenance tags

@Thecleanerand: In again removing the unreferenced section tags, you wrote: There were NO {{citation needed}} tags on this page before I started editing. Don't lecture ME on citations and sources because I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS WEBSITE WHO ACTUALLY ENFORCES THAT RULE! Practice what you preach instead of making false acquisitions!.

I have two points in response:

Please assume good faith and do not make personal attacks. I am not making an "accusation" against you. We use maintenance templates on Wikipedia to categorize articles that need more work. Editors then look in those categories and help when they can. (Additionally, I do practice what I preach. When I add content to Wikipedia, I make sure to add a citation. Feel free to have a look at my contributions.)
The {{urs}} template is used to point out that there are no inline citations in a section. There are, in fact, no inline citations in those sections. References listed underneath the {{reflist}} at the end of the article are not inline citations. Per WP:WNTRMT, maintenance templates should not be removed if the problem is still in the article.

I hope you will restore the templates.

Regarding the edits I made to the section headings, please review MOS:LAYOUT. There should not be one level 2 heading for all of the content and then level 3 and 4 headings. That is not a proper way to structure a Wikipedia article. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will also note that you spun off this page into a separate article despite at least one editor objecting to you doing so. In the future, if someone objects to a content fork, you must obtain consensus before doing so. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thecleanerand: I'm planning on restoring the tags if you don't respond here. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't lecture me on "good faith" and "personal attacks" when YOU insinuated that this entire mess was my fault ("good faith"?) despite the edit history and above discussion CLEARLY showing otherwise. I'm only at fault for the improper "cut-and-paste job". Nothing else.

"I'm planning on restoring the tags if you don't respond here."

Yeah. How about you do that (ie "Practice what you preach"), instead of making weak threats? How about you do something PRODUCTIVE on this website like every other editor, instead complaining about problems and blaming everyone else for them? While you're at it, you can get off your high horse and give me a PROPER FUCKING APOLOGY for accusing me of something I didn't do! Thecleanerand (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for stating that you spun off the page after there was an objection. I misread the discussion above and thought you spun it off after the objection was made, rather than before. Instead of blowing up at me, you could have just politely pointed out that I was wrong. Do you object to me restoring the maintenance tags? voorts (talk/contributions) 01:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or, knowing you made a mistake, you could just apologize from the start.

Apology accepted. Thecleanerand (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split article

This absolutely needs to be split. It absolutely should never have been moved and the stupid undiscussed move should have been reverted immediately. The registering of abandoned trademarks (and it's not the exact name, either) does not in any way make D'Amore's new startup company the same company as the historic Maple Leaf Wrestling and they should not be treated as the same by having only one article. That's non-NPOV and promotional in favor of D'Amore's company, and unacceptable. He can promote his company as a revival all he wants, but that doesn't make it a fact that Wikipedia should be taking at face value. This article must be split for neutrality. Period. oknazevad (talk) 10:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split - Having considered this question quite a lot, ultimately yes I think they should be split because they are distinct organisations from two separate eras, with (currently) little to no continuity between other than the name and location.

To address User:HHH Pedrigree's point raised, I believe that in case such as MLW and XPW where it's the exact same promoter, using the same name, titles and operating in the same area, then that is in fact the same promotion, albeit ones that were under significant hiatuses.

However, I will note, if in the future D'Amore were to revive Maple Leaf Wrestling's titles and recognise the original lineages, this would blur the lines a bit for me. CeltBrowne (talk) 17:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the history, this article should be straight reverted to before the page move, and moved back to the Maple Leaf Wrestling title, while a new, separate article created at Maple Leaf Pro Wrestling. oknazevad (talk) 10:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question, if this is a revival of the classic promotion, how did we handle other revivals? As far as I know, we included on the same article. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A few examples. Stampede Wrestling was revived 2 times, included in one article. Also, Major League Wrestling and Xtreme Pro Wrestling. On the other side, we have XFL (2020–2023) and XFL (2001). Maybe @McPhail: would help, since he knows a lot about classic wrestling. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At least with Stampede, MLW, and the others there's a continuity of at least some of the same owners being involved in the relaunches. That's not the case here. Plus the names are not the same, so there's clearly a doscontuity that needs to be addressed. Frankly, the page move here comes pretty close to WP:HIJACK and should never have been done. oknazevad (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, let's say... like Florida Championship Wrestling and Championship Wrestling from Florida. It's based but not the same. I agree with the split. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good example. oknazevad (talk) 20:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split per oknazevad's reasoning. There doesn't appear to be any continuity between the two companies. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]