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Linking the World's Response to NBC article

I don't believe we can (or should) include this in the article until or unless it's reported by a tertiary source, but as of today (Nov 13, 2019) the home page for Linking the World features a lengthy critique of the NBC investigation article at issue. Funcrunch (talk) 21:54, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there is a denial. I agree that it should not be included.

On the alma mater / alumna controversy

So in reference to the editing/edit-warring over whether or not Chang is a Harvard alum: According to the currently cited sources, her online bios state that she is an alumna of Harvard Business School. They do not state that she graduated from that school. The controversy raised by the NBC investigation (and sources linking to it) is whether her saying that she is an alumna implies that she graduated from that school. Without stating my opinion on that matter (which is irrelevant anyway), I caution that we need to be specific with the words we choose when editing this BLP. Funcrunch (talk) 01:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I do not think that this page should be locked. This person is tantamount to a rugby scrum or 2nd grade soccer game (but without the charm of everyone cheering and waiting to see what happens). Unlock it, see what unfold & eventually "the truth" will be recorded. If someone can falsify their credentials and proclaim that they graduated from Harvard after taking a certificate course and have their fraud enshrined in wikipedia then what is the point of wikipedia? Here we have a government employee who was recorded providing a backstory for a forged magazine cover plus Harvard says she is not a graduate. Let the jokers and goofballs type whatever they want then sort it out. Happy Friday! Warren — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExCITEable (talk • contribs) 21:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Other names used

According to the last page of the insert in her album "Adore" (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mina-Chang-Adore-cd-Christmas-Holiday-Music-Album-/191830015502), her full name is/was Sharon "Mina Chang" Chandiramani. She used Mina Chang for her stage name. In 2005 (when she married Dinesh Chandiramani), she went by Sharon M. Chang (http://www.texasmarriagerecords.org/marriage-of-dinesh-chandiramani-and-sharon-chang.html). Her current husband is Jake Harriman. So, her first name appears to be Sharon, Chang is her maiden and current last name. Mina must be her middle name that she prefers.

She also went by Sharon Chandiramani or Sharon M. Chandiramani (https://www.campcreativegroup.com/portfolio/hyphen-construction/; Hyphen Construction was her first husband's - Dinesh's - company, while for a time she was the owner of Hyphen Media Group).

Brain cancer in 2013

Her 2014 profile in Dallas Observer (https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/singer-turned-activist-mina-chang-now-faces-the-biggest-challenge-of-her-life-7088345) states that she was diagnosed with brain cancer in May 2013, and she had been undergoing chemotherapy for almost a year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.154.3 (talk) 03:03, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who wants to bet this was a lie/ploy/fraud too? Great stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExCITEable (talk • contribs) 21:34, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She's a confirmed fraud and not a reliable source on her own life. Everything should be questioned, even basic facts. In the coming days journalists will dig into her life and find more information. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No citation means do not include in Wikipedia. Citations otherwise must be made. Richardc020 (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mina Chang Homeless

An article fro IB Times (https://www.ibtimes.com/who-mina-chang-meet-trump-staffer-caught-web-resume-lies-2865666) The article links to a page from the Asia Society Texas Center’s Women’s Leadership Series featuring Mina Chang (https://asiasociety.org/files/uploads/566files/Mina%20Chang.pdf) that states

"Though she grew up homeless, Chang does not see herself as a victim of homelessness. Instead, she is grateful for her childhood in poverty and for her friends who suffered under the same circumstances. They taught her that education and hard work are priceless, a privilege.

The article also states she spoke at the UN, DOD and NATO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyvq (talk • contribs) 20:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mina Chang's 2018 bio

Moved long title here: "Mina Chang's 2018 bio provided to the The United States Geospatial Intelligence Foundation (USGIF) at https://usgif.org/system/uploads/5579/original/Mina_Chang_Biography_2018.pdf" -Vistadan 22:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HOW MUCH OF THIS IS FRAUDULENT PUFFERY? ExCITEable (talk) 21:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fake Time Cover

https://time.com/4836933/fake-time-cover/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExCITEable (talk • contribs) 22:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trinity is not her middle name! Please delete.

Her current husband did refer to her "Mina Trinity Chang" in a Facebook post; however, it was only because her Facebook account (now deleted) was "Mina Trinity Chang." She used the account for herself and her daughter whose name is Trinity Chandiramani (her father's last name, Mina's first husband). See the section for "Other Names Used" for more details.

Ok, I can't find a RS that refers to her as Trinity. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't Sharon be included as well - it is RS that is her birth name?ExCITEable (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox -- Officeholder vs Person

I'm going to update the infobox to "person" rather than "officeholder". Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations is not a significant enough office to warrant "officeholder". Assistant Secretary of State for Conflict and Stabilization Operations (her boss) could be -- that office requires Senate confirmation and the officeholder runs the Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations. But as a Deputy Assistant Secretary, she is just a politically-appointed staffer for that Bureau, one of several who may have that title. WP:POLOUTCOMES sets notability at Assistant Secretary, and that seems like the proper level to recognize for officeholder as well. Willing to have a discussion here if there are other opinions. --Asdasdasdff (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Asdasdasdff: Just out of curiosity, and since my brain isn't really working right now: did Mina Chang serve as the principal deputy, in a time during which there was a vacancy in the assistant secretaryship? That, I should think, would qualify: being the assistant secretary on an acting basis—still: if not, and I doubt she did, if memory serves, I have no objections. Indeed, good work! — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 22:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Assistant Secretary was Denise Natali before and after Chang's time at the bureau, also I don't think Chang was principal deputy assistant -- I think she was a deputy assistant for communications or something. But agree on the underlying question. Though imo we'd want to refer to her as Acting Assistant Secretary in that circumstance. --Asdasdasdff (talk) 22:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dust Settled

I just came across this page. Wow. I had no idea. Not sure what happened but I missed this story when it broke. Now that the dust has settled, with fresh eyes, I'm going to go over the page. See if anything is missing or shouldn't be here, tighten up language, etc. MaskedSinger (talk) 20:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just read closely through the page and the various articles. It appears as though the NBC article blew things out of proportion. So I'm going to try to untangle this. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]