Talk:Montessori in Thailand

Stopped becoming an an encyclopedia article

@Apapococ: Hi. I think that you are getting out of scope with what is meant to be an encyclopedia article. This is not meant to be the ultimate finding guide. Please look at it from the point of view of someone coming here with a basic interest in the topic an d"BOOM" that article awaits them with its maps, and everything. It is too much and needs to be pared back.

@Tedder and Steven (Editor): for Schools project coordination, maybe you can give advice from your perspective. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:42, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I replied in the other thread sorry. Per province there will be additional information but because of the natur on how you edit and write on an already existing page here on Wikipedia those informations will come also step by step. Having all those informations on one place that is freely accessible is very important for people doing researchabout Montessori in Thailand, especially also the maps and the map images will be changed as we like to present one image for each province but they are in the making as on Wikipedia they are until now not available beside theones you see right now. They have to be big because otherwise you can;t present all of those in a flexible and most of all editable way also by others on Wikipedia. Unfortunately you can't place a leafmap inside Wikipedia even a plugin for Media Wiki exists that would make all much easier and then you could present the maps as a small window of a Map that shows only one certain location while you could then even move the map aroudn to other places. Beside that you could even save it as an image - not possible on Wikipedia as all the inormation on the map that you see on top of the background image won't show up when you like to see the completed image with all the schools to see where they are spread and where their are none etc.

On the other side an image would be "dead" and nobody could edit and insert a new location so this is also a no go. The wikipedia solution is therefore the only one that is currently available because we can't insert real maps into Wikipedia to present all those informations i.e. on a Montessori School layer worldwide.

Thailand by the way is only the start as our project "Montessori for All" actually encompasse the whole world and schools world wide. Next will be probably the schools in Ukraine where we have already many informations and that are in need of a centralized place that is freely accessible right now too.

I think the STUB remark on he right side can be removed as well as LOW as that artcle is actually very important, you will see that as soon as I tell the community where it is.

I was a school director of a Montessori School myself before and a parent and are working together with Phillip Montessori a Great Grand Son of Maria Montessori on Montessori for All.

Thanks for your concernes and I appreciate your feedback but keep in mind that all thos information is only available because of years of research and why limiting the informational value by dropping the maps ;-) Those are always important when you talk about regions (well and I am actually Geography teacher too)

Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apapococ (talk • contribs) 03:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Yikes, this whole thing is a disaster. It isn't content suitable for an encyclopedia in any way. The whole article may need to be deleted. I made one pass through removing the lowest-quality content, but even what remains likely wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. tedder (talk) 04:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Fabricated sources from Elsevier?

There are 3 citations that claim to be published by Elsevier (sciencedirect.com), but these papers are nowhere to be found. 2 of the claimed authors have relatively uncommon names that have published other papers with other titles, but nothing with the claimed title or the claimed date. These really look like fabricated sources.  — Chris Capoccia 💬 01:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

• Smith, J. (2023). The Eastern Economic Corridor and the Future of Thailand's Economy. [Online]. Available at: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042819300998
• Suthiphand, C. (2023). The Impact of the Eastern Economic Corridor on Human Capital Development in Thailand. [Online]. Available at: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042819300999
• Chantapong, S. (2023). The Role of Education in the Eastern Economic Corridor. [Online]. Available at: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877042819301000

  — Chris Capoccia 💬 01:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

You're right, that does seem sketchy. I can't find any references to those. The whole section, speculation about Montessori being driven by the EEC, is speculation at best. tedder (talk) 04:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The entire article was a single huge mess created by one SPA who clearly has a COI. The removal (since done by Tedder) was much needed. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

article deletions

@Tedder and Steven (Editor):Thailand is currently at a significant milestone in its educational development, particularly with the government’s recent commitment to expanding the Montessori approach in public schools. In 2023, the Thai government signed an agreement to implement Montessori education in more schools, marking a crucial step toward improving the country’s educational system. This initiative reflects Thailand’s ongoing efforts to modernize and enhance the quality of education across the country. Highlighting these efforts on Wikipedia is of public interest, not just for researchers, but for anyone interested in global educational advancements. It would be a disservice to both Thailand and the Montessori community if such important progress were not documented on a global platform like Wikipedia, especially considering that the mother of Wikipedia's founder ran a Montessori school herself.

However, discussions surrounding educational topics on Wikipedia often reveal that those commenting and making decisions on the content seem to lack a deep understanding of the subject. Unfortunately, some individuals behave in a controlling manner, disregarding the community-driven nature of Wikipedia. These individuals forget that Wikipedia relies on knowledgeable contributors to both write and review content. It is troubling that people with no expertise in the field often propose deletions simply because they feel uncomfortable with the material. Instead of hastily suggesting deletion, it would be far more productive to involve experts who can assess whether the information is valuable to the general public and researchers alike.

One notable example is the recent "outsourcing" of the list of Montessori schools in Thailand and the interactive map showing the regional distribution of these schools. These resources were moved to separate pages, though they belong together and would be more beneficial on a single, comprehensive page. The individual responsible for creating this content is a highly respected international speaker with decades of experience, often presenting at conferences on various educational topics. Despite this, some contributors appear to have personal biases, repeatedly suggesting deletions without providing specific reasons, relying instead on generic complaints. Such behavior goes against the collaborative spirit of Wikipedia.

Moderators who act in this way—consistently rejecting or obstructing valuable contributions without due consideration—should be reviewed to ensure that Wikipedia remains a platform driven by shared knowledge and expertise, just as it was intended when it began. Only by respecting the contributions of subject matter experts can Wikipedia continue to serve as a reliable and comprehensive resource for the world.

Concerning Lists of Schools

Lists of schools play a crucial role in research focused on evaluating the distribution and educational landscape of a specific region. They provide valuable data for analyzing regional trends, identifying gaps, and understanding the overall structure of the education system in a given area.

Having comprehensive lists of schools on Wikipedia is particularly important for several reasons:

Public Accessibility: Wikipedia is a widely accessible platform, allowing general users, students, researchers, and policymakers to easily view and gather information about schools in different regions. These lists democratize access to educational data.

Global Research Utility: For researchers worldwide, Wikipedia's lists of schools serve as an essential starting point for regional educational studies, enabling assessments of school distribution, educational coverage, and infrastructure across diverse areas.

Data Integrity and Cross-referencing: Wikipedia’s emphasis on verifiable and well-sourced content ensures that school lists are not only comprehensive but reliable. This makes them a valuable resource for both casual users and academic research.

Cultural and Educational Mapping: The presence of school lists on Wikipedia contributes to a clearer picture of regional education landscapes, supporting studies on equity, access to education, and regional development.

Even in Thailand, with its thousands of schools, Wikipedia's current list covers only a fraction of them. This is a community-driven work in progress, aiming to gather all relevant information in one central place, making it much easier for researchers to access data. Over time, more schools will be added to the list. While many countries already have extensive Wikipedia lists of schools, only a few are linked to individual school pages, limiting the depth of information available for researchers. Some schools do have their own Wikipedia pages, which makes linking and cross-referencing easy. However, for schools without pages, it is essential to link to credible sources of information. Many schools, particularly smaller ones, may not have the funds to maintain their own websites, or may not have one at all. It is crucial that these schools are still mentioned on Wikipedia to provide a comprehensive view of the true spread of schools and their structures, allowing researchers to conduct more accurate and inclusive studies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apapococ (talk • contribs) 03:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Why is everything about this topic from this SPA always a wall of text? I'm not enthusiastic to reply when the five pillars of Wikipedia are simply ignored. Two AI detectors put this at 77-88% AI-written, which also explains the fabricated sources. tedder (talk)