Talk:Mordechai Schlein

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Short description: World War II partisan and violinist

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"Red flags" with the credibility of this article

Very few Jews from eastern Belarus were deported to Auschwitz. The subject of this article was very young, bordering on implausibly so, when he is said to have been involved with the resistance. No scholarly sources are cited, instead you use a religious website which is not reliable for anything but possibly interpretations of Judaism and Jewish customs. (t · c) buidhe 20:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've already added two other books as sources, he is not that well known but there are still some sources out there which I think are enough to stablish notability; obviously a jew person will have more jew sources and the reason why I used those two is because they are the most detailed I could find. I didn't find any scholary articles online other than a PhD dissertation. The Blue Rider

21:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also one of the two sources is The Forward which seems a pretty well stablish and reputable source. The Blue Rider

21:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already removed Aish.com which can be indeed unreliable. The Blue Rider

21:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if the story is true, but the lack of mention in scholarly sources (there are a lot about partisan war in Belarus) doesn't improve the credibility of the account. I don't know what primary accounts that the other sources are based on but if he really blew up a building in Ovruch killing 200 Germans as you assert here, there would be expected to be mentions in German and Ukrainian sources. (t · c) buidhe 21:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source that I removed said there were 200 Germans officers, I changed to many instead of 200. I haven't looked into the German language much, but I did saw some German books about him which I plan to download. The Blue Rider

21:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True or not, there are quite some sources about him, some more detailed than others, but still sources. Whether to phrase this as folklore or as real might the actual question. The Blue Rider

21:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also saw one source with a different spelling so I assume he might be known by different names depending on the language. The Blue Rider

21:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, after researching more there are conflicting sources on whether his family was killed on the spot or sent to the concentration camp but the consensus seems to be that they were killed immediatly. The Blue Rider

15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend withdrawing the GAN, at present it would be a quick fail in my book . When you cite a book it's needed to provide page numbers for verifiability. What pages in the 1967 Suhl book can I find the information (t · c) buidhe 23:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How is it a WP:GAFAIL?! Not having pages is not a reason to quickfail. You can find it on 262 to 267. The Blue Rider

23:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The general issue is that the article is presenting the story as a fact without sufficient corroboration. If the Suhl book was the first to print and the others simply repeat it, that's not inspiring confidence in the account given that Suhl is novelized and seems to lack any citations or references. I would agree that the story is notable, but at present there is not enough information to determine if it was true, exaggerated, or folklore as you suggest above ... (t · c) buidhe 23:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since all the sources are portraying it as true then our page should reflect that. It might be exaggerated or folklore but that would be a personal opinion of ours. The Blue Rider

02:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The primary source seems to be from a book, Motele, from Moshe Gildenman himself. The Blue Rider

15:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are also books on Hebrew about him that are cited in his Hebrew Wikipedia correspondent but I wasn't able to locate most of them online. The Blue Rider

23:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]