Talk:Mru

Mro and Mru

Ambiguities relevant to this page were discussed at User talk:Yomeo#Mro and Mru. Please add any replies here rather than on that page. Certes (talk) 11:46, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@Mro(Mru) people: This would be a good place to discuss page moves and perhaps start a requested move. You may want to read the previous discussion linked above first. Certes (talk) 11:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, This talk page. Mro and Mru the same ethnic not different language , cultural , language script.ect... not be confuse with Awa Khami people .Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mro(Mru) people (talk • contribs) 12:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Paging @Kwamikagami:, who knows about these things. Certes (talk) 12:40, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't really know anything about this, I'm just going off sources, but @Stevey7788: does. Mro and Mru are the same people and language because they're the same name. But more than one people uses that name. As Steve pointed out, one of those peoples prefers the pronunciation "Mro" and one prefers "Mru". So that means Mro and Mru are not the same people and language. They simultaneously are and are not, and you can argue either way depending on your sources. That's why we have a dab page.

Steve, can you verify that Mro (Unicode block) is used for the Mru (Mrung) language, not for the Mro (Khami) language? I assume that's the case, given that it's used in Bangadesh. — kwami (talk) 00:51, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Steve is unable to respond. The glyphs are shown on page 22 of this PDF. Certes (talk) 10:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

{{Hi, I give long times to research for Mro and Mru naming are Mro word called by Arakan(Marma), Mrurong or Murung word called by Bangli and Mru word called by they themselves. So I have found different words Mro are also known as Mroo, Moroo, Mro-cha,Mro-sa, Moroo-sa , Taung Mro , Taung Moroo, Taung Myo.. ect... and than Murong are also known as Murung , Moorang,Morung ..ect...and Mru are also known as Maru , Mru-cha, Maru-sa , Mru-sa , Taung Mru, written by differently the Mro(mru) reffer to the tribe.}}Mro(Mru) people (talk) 10:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

So, if I've understanding that correctly, the speakers of the Mruish language use both 'Mru' and 'Mro', and are not to be confused with (i.e. are distinct from) the Chin people known as 'Mru' and 'Mro' -- in other words, exactly what we say on this dab page. So what's the issue exactly? Unless perhaps it's a PRIMARYTOPIC issue? — kwami (talk) 10:35, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

{{ Hi, here Researcher Professor written about Mro or Mru ..MRO (a) Lewin writes Mru. They call themselves Mro. Sometimes the Bengalis and the Marma call them lengta, kuki, langye, words with a general meaning which is roughly « wild » and these words are applied, apparently, to all those who are neither Bengalis nor Marma. The word Mro, at the present time, has not yet been met in the inscriptions upon which is based Professor Luce's pamphlet concerning the Peoples of Burma in the XII-XIIIth centuries (cf. Sak). During the XIIth. Century, two Mro are supposed to have helped Da-Tha-Raza, King of Arakan in his search of the place of the Mahamuni statue44 Another Mro would have even been King of Arakan in the XIVth Century45. Such are the informations that one can find in second-hand writings, informations which are not to be accepted without caution. (b) According to the Census of 1901, the Mro number 308 souls in the Chakma Circle and 10.232 in the Bohmong Circle, that is to say 10.540 for the whole of Chittagong Hill Tracts46, It is difficult to subscribe the accuracy of this number. For, when the Census was counting 10.232 Mro in the Bohmong Circle, it was counting 21.779 Marma in the same area. But this date : 1901, is not so far from us, and there are still living persons, in the Chittagong Hill Tracts, who can remember that time : none, among those who have been consulted, could imagine that, fifty years ago, the Marma's number were only double of the Mro's number. Nowadays, the Mro living in the Chittagong Hill Tracts might be numbered up to a few thousands : 4.000 to 8.000 (?). In his book, printed in 1869, Lewin estimated their number at 1.500 souls. (c) Most of the Mro live in Akyab district in Arakan and Hill Tracts District, in Burma. The Censuses of 1921 and 193147 estimate they are roughly 14.000. In the Chittagong Hill Tracts, they are to be found mainly in the South, apparently they do not go northwards further than the Sangu river; they dwell far from the rivers, on the top of the hills, mainly the hills where the tributaries of the Matamuri river are flowing from. We have visited Mro villages in the Tanchi Mauza (N°362) and in the Shwalok Mauza (N°314) The Mro living in this last Mauza are the nearest to Bandarban On Chimbuk Hill, the meteorologic station was held by a Mro villager, whose village was near-by48. 44. San Shwe Bu, 1916, « The Story of Mahamuni », J. of the Burma Res. Soc., 6, 3, p.225-229, 227. 45. Lewin, 1869, Hill Tracts..p. 92. 46. Hutchinson, 1906, Accounts..p.29. 47. 1931, Cesus of India..., Vol. XI, Burma, Part I, Report, p.187. 48. In this village lived for a while Dr. H. E Kauffmann whose lecture we were extremely glad to hear. This lecture « Megaliths of the Mro, Chittagong Hill Tracts » was delivered at the Intermational Congress of Anthropological and Ethnological sciences, Philadelphia, US.A., September, 1956. (d) The Mro belong to the Tibeto-Burmese linguistic family but this language is rather different from any other in this family. As wrote Taylor, quoted in the Census of India of 193149: « it bears relationship to many languages but is closely connected with none ». And in the Census, it is added: « Pending further light on the subject it has been placed in a separate group ». We spent only a few days among the Mro and the vocabulary collected is not big, so that we have to rely mostly on others opinion as for the linguistic relationship of Mro. Mr. R. Sharers0 places the Mro apart in the Mruish section, that is to say he considers this language as a category by itself, to the same extent as the Burmish section inside which, into the Burma branch, he places Arakanese ; the Luish section inside which, as already said, he places Sak and Kadu, and finally the Kukish section, itself subdivided into branches, as we shall see further on. Any rescarch on the Mro would bring a benefit not only to the study of the Mro themselves but also to the study of neighbouring or akin groups and we do hope much from the rescarches undertaken by our colleague Dr. L.G. Loeffler of Mainz University, Germany. (e) Among all the ethnic groups of the Chittagong Hill Tracts, the Mro group is probably- with the Lushai group- the one which has been travelling least. It seems they have been living in Southern Chittagong Hill Tracts and Northern Arakan for several centuries. () Of course, any research concerning the Mro group has to be undertaken about the Mro living in Eastern Pakistan, as well as about those living in Burma. As a preliminary the following publications may be helpful. BA THIN 1931 « The Awa Khamis, Ahraing Khamis and Mros in the Chin Hill area (Saingdin), Buthidaung Township, by U Ba Thin, Assistant Township Officer, Buthidaung », Census of India, vol. XI, Burma, Part I, Report, Appendix D, p.248-256 (cf. Ohn Pe). BA MYAING, 1934 « The Northern Hills of the Ponnagyun Township », Journal of Burma Res. Society, 24, Part II.p.127-148. Paul K. BENEDICT 1941 Lucien BERNOT, 1951 Kinship..., « Mru », p.300-304. « Les Mro et leurs Orgues a bouche», Science et Nature, 1, p.13-16, (photographs). HUTCHINSON 1906 T.H. LEWIN Account...p.165-167. 9. Censur of India... 1931, Vol. XI, Burma, Part I, Report, p.187. 50. Shafer, Člassification..p.107.}}Mro(Mru) people (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

{{{{ And ... Resercher Professor ..written about Khami or Awakhami....also ... we can see here .. So not to be confused with Mro or Mro and Khami or Awa Khami..They are not the same group and Language , Language Script, traditional dress .....ect........ and also we can see written by differently names..... .KHAMI (a) The word is written in so many and so various ways by different authors that it is doubtful whether they form one or several ethnic groups. Mr. Shafer considers62 there are Khami and Khimi. Lewin6 writes Kumi and Kweymmee, Hutchinson64 Kumi or Khami, Embree and Thomas6s have noted Kami, Kwemi, Khami, Kumi, Kwey mee, St. John6 writes hka mies (Hkway-mies) etc... According to St. John, the word he has noted down is the very one used by the people when speaking about themselves, this word meaning « man ». Lewin's opinion is different -and perhaps less simple than St. John's one- :« Kwey or Khwee in Arakanese, means « a dog », and mee is an affix conveying the idea of men; kwey mee therefore means « dog men ». Now the Kumi wear a very scanty breech cloth, which is so adjusted, that a long end hangs down behind them in the manner of a tail; add to this that the dog is a favourite article of food among them, and the derivation of the name seems pretty clear. »67, (b) As for the number of Khami living in the Chittagong Hill Tracts Lewin said : « 2.000 », Hutchinson does not say anything; in the Census of 1901, Khami and Kuki were counted together (which is completely erroneous) and it was found there were 1.468 Kuki and Kumi in the Bohmong Circle, one only in the Chakma Circle and none in the Mong Circle. How many are they now ? There is no exact information to be relied upon, we might only suppose they are no more than 2.000 souls. (c) The Khami are living exclusively in the Bohmong Circle, on the top of the hills in the Southern Sangu and Matamuri rivers area. Some are to be found, more or less scattered, down to the Burmese border; they are more numerous in Arakan. 62. Shafer, Classification... p.103. 63. Lewin, Hill Tracts.., 1869, p. 88. 64. Hutchinson, Accouni.., 1906, p.168. 65. Embree and Thomas, op. cu. p. 17. 66. R.F. St-Andrew St-John, A short Account of Hill Tribes of North Aracan », J. of the Anthropological Institute, II, 1873, p.233-246, 236. 67. Lewin, Hill Tracts... 186, p. 88.}}}Mro(Mru) people (talk) 11:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Mru people (Mrucha) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 14:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Reorganise?

Now that the dust has settled on Mro-Khimi language and Mro-Khimi people, should we move or reorganise this page and/or MRO? Mro redirects here. Options include:

1. Move this dab to Mro, as all entries might be called Mro but only 2/5 might be called Mru
2. Remove Mro-specific entries from this dab, and redirect Mro to MRO, each linking to the other in See also

Other suggestions welcome. Certes (talk) 11:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)