Talk:Name of the Catholic Church
 | This article was nominated for deletion on 22 October 2017. The result of the discussion was redirect. |
Multiple issues
[edit]I really do not understand what the point of this article is. It is a copy of the name section from the Catholic Church article, with WP:Original research in the lead, and no further commentary. The lead section is wholly inappropriate, asserting that the Catholic Church derives its name from the Catechism. It then asserts there is major controversy over what the church is called. Certainly, no reliable sources have been introduced to suggest that this is a topic of concern, especially outside of Wikipedia. It further uses content already agreed to be overly reliant on primary sources in its parent article. It borders very closely on WP:Point, using article space to hash out an editorial disagreement regarding naming conventions (See: WP:Proposed naming conventions (Catholic Church) and WP:Roman Catholic? for background on the disagreement). –Zfish118⋉talk 15:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with these concerns. Everything added to what was taken from the Catholic Church article has severe neutrality issues - and is largely unnecessary, as the entire article is about terminology. In fairness, the first sentence looks like an attempt to replicate the opening part of Name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; but the two situations are not really comparable, covering vastly different amounts of time and discussion; which seems to have resulted in content being forced into a structure which it is not fitted to.
- Meanwhile, the bit which has been taken from the Catholic Church article immediately had the tag replaced which Zfish118 had removed from the Catholic Church version, which could be interpreted as a violation of the policy on POV forking? TSP (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
- Didn't want to delete information in the section Catholic Church#Name. However, didn't find it proper to included it all there either, per undue weight. So wasn't sure what to do about the situation. I won't mind if you find that this article is valid despite its creation in equivalence with Name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:18, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Requested move 29 October 2017
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: procedurally closed. RM only deals with moving articles, you are asking for the redirect target to change. WP:RFD is thataway. Drop me a note on my talk page if you need any assistance with using that process. Jenks24 (talk) 09:47, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Name of the Catholic Church → Catholic Church – Since strangely enough this article was protected, I'll have to make it as a move request; in fact a redirection proposal. The article Catholic (term) is incorrect, it doesn't exactly correspond to the article name. It should thus redirecto to Catholic Church#Name. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:34, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- The redirect was protected because people in the discussion linked worried about it being used for POV wars. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 22:57, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- I created this article per WP:Bold in order to redistribute the previously too extensive section Catholic Church#Name. No hard feelings about reverting that proposed solution. However, redirecting this to Catholic (term) is bring about a new feature. If the article should be deleted while keeping a redirect, that's fine, but then it should be redirected to its previously content-forked location: Catholic Church#Name. Making a redirect to any other dubious destinations, such as Catholic (term), should if so first be discussed and motivated. It shouldn't be introduced as in a secondary note in a technical request about the article per se as was done. Chicbyaccident (talk) 00:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- It wasn‘t a „secondary note“, the people who discussed a target preferentially mentioned the term page. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 07:17, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- I created this article per WP:Bold in order to redistribute the previously too extensive section Catholic Church#Name. No hard feelings about reverting that proposed solution. However, redirecting this to Catholic (term) is bring about a new feature. If the article should be deleted while keeping a redirect, that's fine, but then it should be redirected to its previously content-forked location: Catholic Church#Name. Making a redirect to any other dubious destinations, such as Catholic (term), should if so first be discussed and motivated. It shouldn't be introduced as in a secondary note in a technical request about the article per se as was done. Chicbyaccident (talk) 00:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.