Talk:Neighborhoods in Spokane, Washington

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Merger proposed (Mead, Washington)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The result was not to merge. --B. Wolterding 09:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge the content of Mead, Washington into here, since the notability of that article has been questioned. Actually the Mead article is very short and does not provide secondary sources, so it might be best to merge it into the "North Side" section here, if I got the geography right.

Please add your comments below. Proposed as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 09:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't Mead an incorporated city? Although, I can't find anything that says it is, which usually means it's not. So I could be wrong... Even if it is not an incorporated city, Mead is outside Spokane's city limits so is not technically a neighborhood in Spokane. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 15:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Spokane Valley isn't "technically" Spokane either. Maybe what we should do is to retitle the article "Neighborhoods in the Spokane, Washington Metropolitan Area" or something like that (we need a title that sounds/flows better than that though...). Anyway, it would create a more comprehensive article, and we could add in all these outlying areas where many people live and work, such as Mead. Also...we need pictures on this article! Jdubman 17:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I'd actually argue against having Spokane Valley in this article as it is a city in its own right and not a neighborhood. However, that being said, there isn't a need to change the name of the article, just the intro. The common usage of "Spokane, Washington" includes the unincorporated areas around it as well. So if the intro establishes that the article is about neighborhoods in Spokane and the unincorporated areas around Spokane that should be enough. I'm not sure using the metropolitan area is a good boundary as that would include all cities in Spokane County and it would be hard to say smallish cities like Deer Park, Washington are a neighborhood of Spokane.--Bobblehead ^(rants) 17:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll think about what we should do with the Mead article tonight...so don't merge it in quite yet.

Currently, I'm thinking the article needs to be restructured if we are going to accomadate the outlying areas. We could restructure it with main sections that give regions of town (north, east, west, south, central, etc.), and then break it down into further subsections with individual neighborhoods. The outlying areas would go into their respective region.

Now as far as neighborhoods go, the officially recognized neighborhoods by the City of Spokane are different than the ones in the article. Some of the neighborhoods in the article are almost like sub-neighborhoods of city-recognized neighborhoods. An example would be Downtown. Officially, it's in the "Riverside" neighborhood according to a city run GIS Map. Here's the link to that map: http://www.spokanegis.org/. Check the box that says "Neighborhoods" and hit "Redraw Map", and "offical" neighborhoods that the city recognizes will pop up (you might need to zoom in to see the titles).

Anyway, we could structure the article (like I mentioned above), and then put subsections into those neighborhood sections with the sub-neighborhoods. So for downtown, you'd have a structure of Article-->Central-->Riverside-->Downtown.

Jdubman 01:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Mead School District has two high schools, each with an annual graduating class of close to 400 students. Pretty amazing for a farming town of 500 folks! Don't simply merge bad information into an existing article. I've left this surprising information in the Mead article, but added a paragraph that undercuts it a bit.

Areas outside the city of Spokane cannot be incorporated as Spokane neighborhoods (even if the City Council wishes to expand the tax base) unless the title of the article is changed. Spokane Valley should have its own article, not be incorporated into Spokane as a neighborhood. The city of Spokane has twenty-seven distinct and viable neighborhoods, the development of which gets the attention of city planners all over the United States. Spokane Valley, Mead, and others are outside of these concerns. However, the city of Spokane Valley also has a few neighborhoods that once developed as separate towns.

Mead, Spokane Valley, Millwood (a Spokane Valley neighborhood), Deer Park, Deep Creek, etc. can be mentioned in the Spokane article, but should not be listed as Spokane neighborhoods. JStripes 13:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note.. The Mead School District covers a lot more than just the town of Mead. Only the district's offices and Meadow Ridge Elementary, Mead Middle School, and Mt. Spokane High School are actually located in Mead and most of the students that attend the middle school and high school aren't actually from Mead. The rest of the schools are scattered around the unincorporated areas north of Spokane. It basically covers everything between the Spokane city limits and stops where the Deer Park school district starts up north near Chattaroy. Here's a map of the district's elementary school. boundaries[1] Mead itself is basically the top half of the yellow section and most of the green section. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 17:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course. Part of Mead School District is even in the city of Spokane. Nevertheless, the characterization of the unincorporated Mead township as a farming town stopped being accurate decades ago. The area is more accurately described as light industrial to heavy industrial. Immediately to the west is a proposed Superfund site, the Market corridor that runs through it is lined with light industrial type businesses, and to the east are suburban developments rapidly closing in on Peone Prairie--the only remaining agricultural portion of the area. See http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=47.764945,-117.359991&spn=0.040154,0.079651&t=h&z=14&om=1 JStripes 16:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now to summarize this discussion... It seems that there is consensus not to merge the Mead article into Spokane neighborhoods, right? Other changes to the structure of the Spokane Neighborhoods article may be needed, but should be discussed seperately, I think. If there's no objection, I will therefore remove the merger proposal in a few days. --B. Wolterding 12:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the tag as part of my reorganization (see below)JStripes 19:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Structure of Article

This whole article has a whimsical structure. The opener disavows the official City of Spokane recognition of twenty-seven distinct neighborhoods, each with a neighborhood council and regular meetings. It then lists a fraction of these, merges many into overly large sections of the city (north side and south side), lists one neighborhood business center in the article (Garland), another in the links (South Perry), and adds the City of Spokane Valley, but not the West Plains.

I propose that the article employ the twenty-seven recognized neighborhoods and add any that are left out. The north side/ south side listings could be used as a structuring device for ordering the neighborhoods (rather than a alphabetical list). JStripes 15:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reorganized the article with two alphabetical lists, north and south. Aside from reworking the intro section, I did not delete any text with this edit (except where a neighborhood name differed from the official version, viz., "Riverside" for "Downtown".

Many changes remain necessary to clean up NPOV issues, and other inappropriate content for Wikipedia.JStripes 19:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Being Definitive

Quick exposition: I lived in Spokane from age 2 until age 20 when I moved to Chicago (September 2011). I became involved in Wikipedia around my freshman year of high school (at LC). I don't remember if I created this article, but I do remember making an article for the Sunset Hill neighborhood and well, I wasn't very definitive with it and I'm pretty sure some more wise and aged wikipedian decided to throw my haphazard articles into one place. I don't know if people read this anymore since it's been years since anyone has posted on it but none the less... This article is a mix of city defined and resident perceived neighborhoods, both in the names of sections and the way they are defined in the text. I now live in Chicago, a city with 77 city defined neighborhoods and probably 1000 resident defined ones. That said, I agree with the layout in place now. Division between north and south of the river (though that does get hard when the river bends to the NNW after passing thru Peaceful Valley) is very good. Within the north and south sections the first sub-sections being official city recognized neighborhoods is also good. They may in places divide areas that residents recognize as independent neighborhoods but they provide us with a very solid structure. I propose, and am about to go about putting this into effect, a system where unofficial neighborhoods are placed within the official neighborhood within which they exist. Examples: Vinegar Flats within Latah Valley, Sunset Hill within West Hills and Granview/Thorpe, Daveport Arts District within Riverside. SpokaneWilly (talk) 04:41, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notability.

Honestly, how is any of this notable? Why is a "business district" (that is actually a grocery store and like 5 other small stores) on the corner of indian trail and barnes st notable enough to be in an encyclopedia? This is not 5th ave, people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.132.103.137 (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Part of Manito has been changed to Rockwood Neighborhood. This article needs to be updated!!!

please. Spokane city just sent me the new reorganization or the neighborhood!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.97.67.62 (talk) 00:12, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]