Talk:New Mexico Muslim killings

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Names of Victims

Mohammad Ahmadi Naeem Hussain Muhammad A. Hussain Aftab Hussein 209.94.142.250 (talk) 13:47, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suspect(s) detained

As there are conflicting reports at this time on how many suspects (1-3) have been detained and when, I have left the the statement as one suspect being detained and reworded it as being announced today. If editing to change, please cite a primary source to ensure accuracy. -- Jlick (talk) 21:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Afzaal Hussain was a practicing Sunni Pakistani American

Muhammad Afzaal Hussain was never a Shia, [1] and we shouldn't hide the fact that they were all Americans also. Why wouldn't they be? Muhammad Afzaal Hussain worked for US government, which means he was a US citizen because only US citizens can legally do that, and it's common knowledge that lawfully admitted refugees (like the suspect Muhammad Syed and his family) become green card holders of the US on the very day they enter the United States, and once people obtain green cards they can use them to freely travel around the world. They are obviously no longer refugees unless the US government decides to persecute them and then they apply for protection in another country. Whether Muhammad Syed applied for or became a US citizen should be checked. Naeem Hussain had become a US citizen.[2]--39.41.16.148 (talk) 20:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are misinformed. Refugees are entitled to work upon entry to the US with nothing more than a Form I-94, but they cannot get a green card until 1 year of residency in the US (at which time they must apply for lawful permanent residency). See here and here for information about rules regarding work and "adjustment of status" to LPR for refugees. But LPR status does not change the fact that they are refugees, and it's patently false to claim they "are obviously no longer refugees" the minute they arrive in a host country. Unless they return to their home country, refugee status generally lasts for life—and can even be inherited by Palestinian children born today, who never fled any "home country", according to the UN! In the US, refugees are eligible for special cash assistance for 8 months, and other forms of assistance for 5 years and sometimes longer—this does not end when they are adjusted to LPR status. Accuracy is essential when working on an encyclopedia. ElleTheBelle 06:37, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

While you are allowed to share original research on talk pages within reason, none of this belongs in the article without reliable sources connecting it to this specific incident. Do not include WP:SYNTH and avoid primary sources, especially about living or recently deceased people, per WP:BLPPRIMARY. Grayfell (talk) 20:33, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brother of victim's "belief" notable and WP:DUE?

Not sure why the fact that "a brother of one of the victims claimed to not believe that the killings had religious motivation" is included in "reactions". Surely there have been and will be any number individual reactions to a highly publicized series of murders, but unless there's some evidence to support his "claim of belief" (which itself sounds vaguely like questioning whether he even genuinely believed it), perhaps it's better to wait for something more substantive? And in any case, the fact that he "urged the public to stop speculations and assumptions on the motives" doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, per the principle of least astonishment—I will excise that now and leave the first part up for discussion. Thanks! ElleTheBelle 22:10, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Syed is an Afghan-American refugee—so why does it keep getting removed?

For the second time, someone has removed the fact that Syed is an Afghan refugee from the lead—this most recent time, what appears to be a single-purpose-account IP editor 39.41.16.148 who has only contributed to this article wrote "Is Ilhan Omar also a refugee today?"

According to the same Washington Post the IP editor has cited: "Ilhan Omar took home 78 percent of the vote in Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District, becoming the first Somali American, first Muslim refugee and first hijab-wearing Muslim woman elected to the U.S. House of Representatives." So, apparently, the answer is yes: today Omar is both a Somali refugee (or perhaps, more accurately an asylee), as well as a naturalized citizen of the US.

In any case, there's no need to continue to remove factual, WP:DUE information that's been cited to RS—and especially not by asking rhetorical questions. Feel free to discuss here, as per WP:REVONLY. Thanks! ElleTheBelle 06:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ilhan Omar's status is irrelevant to this discussion for multiple reasons. For this incident, only one of the attached sources mentions the suspect's family status, so placing this in the lead is emphasizing a small detail without any valid justification, which is a form of editorializing. Per cited sources, the suspect's status as an immigrant from Afghanistan is barely relevant. The legal justification for his family's immigration doesn't belong in the lead unless reliable sources explain why it is important to these killings. If you know of such sources, present them here. Grayfell (talk) 20:30, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]