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Review: July 28, 2024. (Reviewed version).

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ocean Parkway

... that horse and sleigh racing once took place on Ocean Parkway? Source: "Ocean Parkway Malls Highlights : NYC Parks". New York City Department of Parks and Recreation.
- ALT1: ... that though 10,000 cyclists attended the opening of a bike path on Ocean Parkway in 1895, few people even knew about the path a century later? Source: Cooper, Michael (June 18, 1995). "Neighborhood Report: Central Brooklyn; Bike Path, Once Grand, Is Now Ignored". The New York Times
- ALT2: ... that in the 21st century, houses on streets parallel to New York City's Ocean Parkway were much cheaper than houses on the parkway itself? Source: Selin-Davis, Lisa (December 29, 2017). "Mansion – the Market: Where Teardowns Sell for Millions – for Some Brooklyn Buyers, Ocean Parkway is the Only Option". The Wall Street Journal. p. M.3.
- ALT3: ... that New York City's Ocean Parkway was once called "the finest drive in the world"? Source: "The Ocean Drive and Its Future". Times Union. November 20, 1876. p. 2.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/SiegedSec
- Comment: I am not finished with my expansion, but I'm nominating it before the 7-day deadline for a fivefold expansion.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 663 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 20:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I like the ALT0. Source checks out and is cited in-article. Article is eligible via 5x and in good shape. Great work here! It'll be nice to see road GAs that aren't highways and freeways, lol. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Generalissima, I'm glad you liked it. By the way, I forgot to do a QPQ before; I've now done a QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - we're good to go here! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 17:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ocean Parkway (Brooklyn)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 22:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: NoobThreePointOh (talk · contribs) 21:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this and add comments in a while. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Article looks professionally written, so am placing this on hold. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 19:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spot-checks

4: I'm not able to access this source, even through the archive that appears below, as it shows an error. Do you happen to have another source or are you able to fix it?

9: I thought this was a little peculiar, but I read through it, and realized it was an old report about Olmstead and the parkway, so I let it go.

10: Checks out.

Everything seems to be fine, outside of source 4, since I can't access that due to a site or server error, even with the archived version. I would suggest fixing that one.

Thanks for the review. I've fixed source 4 and will address the prose issues later. Epicgenius (talk) 20:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Commercial vehicles are banned from Ocean Parkway Not necessarily required, but I would recommend changing "banned" to less harsher wording like "prohibited" or "not allowed".
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The outermost roadways are service roads, the inner westbound roadway carries traffic to Ocean Parkway and Fort Hamilton Parkway I think replacing the comma with a semicolon would improve the flow of the sentence.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
which indicate whether drivers must turn onto a service road if they want to make a turn. Change the first "turn" to something like "exit" or "enter" for consistency.
- I changed it to "exit". Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A bike lane extends the parkway's length. Add the word "along" between "extends" and "the".
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In 1908 or 1910, a ban on open betting took effect Which year?
- Sources disagree on the exact year, which is why it was worded this way. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cycling is no longer allowed on the east mall south of Church Avenue, I'm a little confused about this. When was cycling originally allowed? Or when was it not allowed after that?
- It's complicated. At one point (after 1896) cycling was allowed on both medians, but the sources aren't clear on when the east bike path was removed. I've changed this to "Cycling is not allowed..." Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, as I can see in the "Traffic and safety" section, I still see that there's the sentence I mentioned in my top point. You can leave it if you want, but it's just a suggestion.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ocean Parkway has long been one of Brooklyn's most dangerous streets. There's a year you might want to explain here so that people can know when it all started. If you don't know, then that's okay.
- Unfortunately, there's no exact date for this. It was ranked as one of Brooklyn's most dangerous streets by the late 20th century, but more exact statistics aren't available for previous years. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The trees along the parkway had not grown to their full sizes, giving the parkway a barebones appearance. In my opinion, this seems to be slightly POV. Do you think you could change it to "empty" or "sparse"? If you don't want to do that, then suit yourself.
- I've changed it to "barren". Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bike path was almost complete by late 1894, Was it complete shortly after?
- Yes. The exact date is mentioned in the next sentence so I've removed this. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and the work was completed the following May, giving the thoroughfare a permanent pavement for the first time. Remove "a".
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Traffic commissioner Henry Barnes also added parking spaces to the service roads, and he removed parking spaces near intersections to improve visibility The previous sentence has the word "also", so I would advise removing it from this one and putting "as well" next to "visibility".
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and there were also concerns that the barriers would encourage speeding. Remove "also" for better grammar flow here.
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The project also included new drainage systems, curbs, concrete roadbeds, and pavement. The next 3 sentences, including this one, have "also" in the sentence. Again, this is just a recommended change, so you don't have to remove it if you please.
- I've reworded this. Thanks for the review NoobThreePointOh. Epicgenius (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I'm glad to pass this article. Congrats on your 552nd GA! NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.