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I've reverted the page from PRODUCER's version to the version of the unregistered user.
I've explained my revert on PRODUCER's talkpage few minutes ago [1]. Kubura (talk) 01:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I would appreciate if content were not removed without explanation. Thanks. Surtsicna (talk) 09:31, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Drazj should discuss the changes with you here on this talk page. Dbfirs 21:40, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Explanation is very simple and i did mentioned that in my comment. Town of Posusje is 99% populated with Croats who speak Croatian not bosnian language. I think i did explained that very clearly. Thanks Drazj Drazj (talk) 04:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that there are deep feelings involved here, and I don't know how to resolve the disagreement. Would re-phrasing as ""Serbo-Croato-Bosnian" or "Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian" be acceptable to either side, along with giving both pronunciations? If not, then we need to ask for a third opinion from someone familiar with the subtleties of language in the area. (I'm not.) The sound file that works is Serbo-Croatian pronunciation: [pɔ̌suːʃjɛ] ⓘ. Dbfirs 08:18, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care much how you call the language. It's all the same language. The obvious and most common name, of course, is Serbo-Croatian. What I am concerned about is the unexplained removal of the name in an official script of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the unexplained removal of the mention of one of the official languages of West Herzegovina Canton. But in this case too, the term Serbo-Croatian would be the best option. Surtsicna (talk) 12:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the sound file that I think you improperly removed. If you can agree over the language, then this edit war can stop. Dbfirs 13:10, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is obviously not about the sound file. Surtsicna (talk) 22:45, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's WP:Edit warring, and Drazj needs to discuss the change here to avoid being blocked. Dbfirs 23:31, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok guys, hold your horses for a second, ok? First of all, i am not wiki professional or something like that. I am just typical citizen of that country with rights, civil rights by all existing conventions. I am not here to argue about is it something blue, deep blue, or light blue ok? I respect every person and their culture, language and whatever it is there to respect as long as that person is doing the same. That simple.

It was not my intention to erase cyrilic name in official script as one of official languages. But what bothers me the most is constant insisting on the term "bosnian" language! If we are giving an explanation about one specific ethnic group that live in a specific town, city or area, in this case area called west Herzegovina canton, we HAVE to address that it is Croatian language, or Serbo-Croatian because it is mostly (90%) populated with croatians, and after that with bosniaks and serbs.

I really do not know what is not clear in this topic? Please, if someone know more than I do about this issue, open my eyes, ok? You can block me and do whatever you want but after you do that, I will have to take some other steps to proof my right to speak free and to pursue truth through other sources.

I will just give couple typical examples of how things are going wrong, if you type Kresevo (a small town in middle Bosnia with 80% croats and 20% bosniaks) you will find the same issue as we are having here, and so on and on.

The other thing is, if you type Capljina (city in the south of Herzegovina) which have 78% croats and 17% bosniaks you can not even find pronunciation at all! If you type Siroki Brijeg (city in the west Herzegovina), there is no ethnic explanation how to pronounce it! There is just sound file, no serbian, croatian or "bosnian". However, if you type Ljubuski (town in west Herzegovina) there is no explanation how to pronounce it, and there is not language explanation at all. Same thing with town Grude. If you type Tomislavgrad (town in Hercegbosanska zupanija or Canton 10), there is explanation on Croatian language and it seems it doesnt bother no one.

All above towns and cities are populated more than 80% with croats, for that simple reason I am convinced that we, as one ethnic group have rights to choose and decide how we will call or pronounce it, of course respecting other ethnic groups etc. Once again, it is not my intention to start and rule this so called "war" on wikipedia. We had more than enough of real war in the past. For that reason, if we want to build our future, for future generations we have to settle certain rules and respect them. Someone from Italy, Russia or Turkey really do not care about this and that is fair enough. This is internal affair between three constitutive ethnic groups. We all speak almost the same language with slight differences from area to area, but we have right to call it Croatian,Serbian or bosnian. And that is written in the constitution of Bosnia and Herzegovina and federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. That is written in all convention of civil rights years and years ago.

I hope that my explanation and examples give more light to this issue. Drazj Thank you. Drazj (talk) 02:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drazj and thank you for your honest response above. I'm not a Wiki professional either, just an ordinary editor like you. No-one here wishes to suppress your opinion, or to restrict your freedom of speech, but it is a rule of Wikipedia that you discuss changes when they are challenged, not just edit-war over the differences. You will not be blocked for putting forward your views, only for WP:Disruptive editing, and you have shown that this was not your intention. You have put forward your case clearly, and I support your view that the local language is Croatian, so we have the Croatian pronunciation given at the start of the article. In return, will you allow the Cyrillic script to remain? The only independent reference I can find for the Croatian word for drought is "Wandering practiced in years of severe drought, known among Serbs and Croats as posušje, was marked by the movement of small or large human groups with their flocks of sheep and herds of cattle in search of water." from Traian Stoianovich's Balkan Worlds: The First and Last Europe. [2]
Would you and Surtsicna be willing to have the remaining controversial sentence in the article rephrased along those lines without mentioning the actual language? Dbfirs 08:43, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The local language is Bosnian as much as it is Croatian, for those are two names for the same language. Serbo-Croatian is fine with me too. The matter of Cyrillic is not something we allow or disallow. It is an official script and should be shown as such in the infobox. Surtsicna (talk) 09:30, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was trying to get Drazj to agree to retaining the Cyrillic, to avoid further edit wars. Dbfirs 09:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Drazj has indicated here that he is not opposed to it. I hope we are in agreement now. Surtsicna (talk) 10:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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