Talk:Red Rabbit

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Removal of anachronisms section

The Anachronisms section needs to go. The assassination in the novel is clearly not the actual event. The Operational designator given for the fictional assassination is 15-8-82-666 and is specified as the date of original message to Colonel Bubovoy regarding assasination. This places the events sometime after the 15th of August 1982, and renders all references to timeline mistakes/incongruity with 1981 moot. 207.154.109.238 (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The assassination attempt is in fact based very closely on the actual event. The assassin is a Turk who is captured. The story that he was working for the Bulgarians is a commonly accepted prosecution theory. What your evidence indicates is that Tom Clancy has altered the actual historical timeline to put the events later than they actually were - perhaps to fit with the date of Patriot Games.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The section is now called "Discrepancies and inaccuracies", which is fine (just keeping track). Nothing in the section is sourced, I don't know if any of it is able to be verified in reliable third-party sources and on that basis it may be removed. Wikipedia:Trivia sections may also apply.--Commander Keane (talk) 08:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Realistically I think it's unlikely there will be a reliable source that covers all these issues and is specific to the Clancy book. I'm not sure that matters. I think that the anachronism issue is important enough to be included, at the very least. I don't think it's trivial. Realistically if this is deleted it will just re-emerge incrementally over time.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also think that Clancy intended the plot to be set later than 1981. I'm pretty sure that the editors in 2002 would have been able to identify the anachronisms if they had tried. The book is set in Ryanverse, not in the real world. It's not historical fiction. - Richard Cavell (talk) 02:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really buy the concept of "Ryanverse". The novel is far more accurate and realistic than a host of other novels, "historical" or otherwise. It is clearly based on a real event and real people (Pope John Paul II, Andropov etc). Obviously Clancy has altered the real chronology, principally in order to fit the fictional career of John Ryan. This does not make it another universe! In fact, the anachronisms rely on elements in the novel closely referring to elements in the real world!--Jack Upland (talk) 08:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I got tired of the never-ending, never referenced section of mostly original research and removed it. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Preceded by and Followed by

This article states:
Preceded by Patriot Games
Followed by Last book of the JR series.
Which cannot be both correct.

If it was preceded by Patriot Games it should be followed by The Hunt for Red October. So the order is as the story goes.
If it is the last book of JR series, it should be preceded by The Bear and the Dragon. So the order is as books were published.

I don't know which is the intended order, so I posted this here instead of editing the page.

Goskas (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]