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Title formatting?

Looking at the single cover art I do not see apostrophes. Is it shown differently on the album credits? Also, should the "N" be capitalized a la "Hot N Cold"? - eo (talk) 16:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took it upon myself to put in the two apostrophes because it represented the aNd more appropriately, though i'll admit it wasn't totally research in wikipedia's guidelines, so it's worth checking out properly. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 11:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I found this scan of the vinyl version: [1] and it is printed as "Rock N'Roll Train" and on this scan of the limited edition CD cover [2] it is "Rock N Roll Train". So much for consistency. At least if "Smash N Grab" is released as a single it is shown the same way in both places. - eo (talk) 11:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am honestly not sure, so i've brought the issue up at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions, so we'll wait for their opinion until we take any action. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 10:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone thinks this page should be moved, please discuss it here rather than arbitrarily moving it. Moving it without moving the talk page, and creating redirects that don't work is just a pain in the backside. Thanks. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be spelled whichever way they spelled it. We don't fix accidental misspellings in proper names (see Bron-Y-Aur Stomp), why would we fix intentional ones? -- Army1987 – Deeds, not words. 23:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's capitalisation not spelling, and that is generally corrected/simplified on Wikipedia - anyway AC/DC are not consistent with the apostrophes as is stated above. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed about the one after the N, but the one before it definitely shouldn't be here, should it? -- Army1987 – Deeds, not words. 00:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, grammatically it should, as it represents the missing 'a'. Rock 'n' Roll is usually spelt with the two apostrophes, and AC/DC have spelt it that way in the past. I think it's about consistency, and there is a guideline somewhere that says we don't correct misspellings, but where there's ambiguity we go with what's grammatically correct. Maybe someone can find that guideline? Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean MOS:TM, but does it really apply here? After all, see Guns N' Roses. -- Army1987 – Deeds, not words. 01:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't mean that, that's for trademarks, and band names fall into that category. Song titles are a different thing. WP:MUSTARD touches on it, but it's not clear with regard to punctuation. It'll need taking to the Wikiproject to see what should be done. Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did ask at Naming Conventions, which i stated above. Never got a reply. I would say if you are correct, that songs are not trademarks, then it should stay the way it is, if that is indeed the correct way of punctuating it. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 02:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs, so hopefully we'll get a reply. I'd prefer it to stay the way it is, but if there's a clear guideline one way or the other, I'm happy to follow it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 02:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be possible to (1) make the title of the Wikpedia page "whatever conforms to Wikipedia guidelines"... but (2) make it clear somewhere on the page, that there were multiple spellings on different albums, and perhaps list the actual spellings from the albums somewhere?

I guess I am suggesting to spell it correctly throughout the article, but make some sort of note or footnote about the different spellings. This would seem to accomplish both (1) your goal of correct spelling and following wikipedia's guidelines, which I appreciate! and (2) the expectation of users like me who come here hoping to find songs spelled as the artist spelled them. Thanks for considering it, I understand that it may not be possible. Thanks. Fallendarling (talk) 01:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is currently number one

"It is currently number one on the U.S. Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks chart.[2] In November 2008 the song became AC/DC's first song to enter the U.S. dance chart.[3]"

What does "currenty" mean? November? December?

Fixed up, it shouldn't say currently. It would have been written around November, yeah. People really shouldn't bother contributing if they're going to make things worse, used the wrong reference as well *sigh* k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]