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Song's origins

According to http://www.originals.be/eng/main.cfm?c=t_upd_show&id=4184, this song has an earlier source than the 1929 Hambone Willie Newbern version:

Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers - Minglewood Blues (Victor, 1928)

Their member Noah Lewis allegedly is the original author. Newbern just retitled the song one year later and maybe changed some lyrics, like others would do later, most notably Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters and Bob Dylan.

Rewrote to include this, but I am not really an expert. Apparently there are 4 things that you can change in a song: its title, the words, the tune and the chords. How long could anyone claim that it is till the same song? The AMG lists some 200 versions with the title Rollin' and tumblin' but we can guess that there are many others.al (talk) 09:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Grateful Dead

Is this the origin of the Grateful Dead song "New, New Minglwood Blues"? J04n (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lynyrd Skynyrd version?

The music to the song "Mississippi Kid" off of their "Pronounced" album sounds very similar to Rollin' and Tumblin' though I did not want to edit the main article without knowing more about the song's origins. (Carl, January 2011)

Minglewood Blues

Gus Cannon was not the first person to record "Rollin'". Looking at a musical and textural transcription of "Minglewood Blues", and comparing it to Hambone Willie Newbern's "Roll and Tumble Blues", I see no similarities. The words are completely different; not a single stanza has any relation to "Roll and Tumble". The tune is utterly dissimilar; and there is not the distinctive slide guitar accompaniment you find with almost every single version of the song, including Newbern's. I'm going to change the allegation that the first recorded version was Gus's. BootleggerWill (talk) 01:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed for the most part. While there's a hint of the classic IV-I change in "Minglewood" you have to really want to hear the similarities for them to be there. I suspect this story came about because "New Minglewood Blues" much more clearly resembles R&T. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Two more versions of this song

Are Neil Young's “Are You Ready for the Country“ and Motörhead's “Whorehouse Blues” influenced by this one, too?--Einar Moses Wohltun (talk) 07:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many songs were inspired or share a similar structure. The problem is, are they noteworthy for an encyclopedic article? Most of the subsequent versions don't appear to meet the requirements of WP:SONGCOVER, that is "Only cover versions/renditions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles" as discussed by a WP:RELIABLESOURCE. The current "Rock" section has been tagged "unreferenced" for 17+ months and should be removed. Also, care should be taken when linking to youtube videos – many are not properly authorized and are copyright violations (see WP:ELNEVER). Links to Vevo are a better choice. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]