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A fact from Ron Labinski appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 March 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ron Labinski has been described as the world's first sports-venue architect?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ron Labinski.

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 17:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Ron Labinski has been described as the world's first sports venue architect? Source: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2023/01/04/People-and-Pop-Culture/ron-labinski-influential-architect-passes-away.aspx
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Norris-Newman

Created by Acroterion (talk). Self-nominated at 22:19, 12 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ron Labinski; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is long enough with adequate sourcing. Hook is interesting enough. ~~@Acroterion: Could you please provide a QPQ in a timely manner?~~ We are all good to go. Imcdc Contact 16:25, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'll do one this evening or tomorrow. Acroterion (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Real Life has thrown a curve ball, I'll do a review as soon as I can. Acroterion (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

World's First Sport Architect?

It's a stretch to describe Labinski as the "world's first sport architect". I appreciate this article only reports that he has been described as such, but it is not true. Archibald Leitch, who died more than 30 years before Labinski began his career, might have something to say about the world's first claim, for example.

To my mind, this statement is misleading to readers. I'm wondering how to challenge this without straying into the bounds of original research. Any thoughts?

The New York Times more accurately describes the subject as "the first architect in the United States to specialize in sports facilities"[1]https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/sports/ron-labinski-dead.html, so perhaps that's a start. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The word "venue" is critical, that sums up his influence of design of sports facilities as destinations in themselves, rather than as utilitarian facilities for viewing athletic contests, and is what made him influential in both design and the development of sports architecture as a design specialty. As the specialty developed, Labinski and related architects were specialty consultants for Eutopean sports venues on the basis of that particular expertise and success in transforming stadia as a place to, in effect, party in addition to spectating. Populous (company) i, which Labinski co-founded as HOK Sport, is enormously influentiial and global in reach.

Leitch designed a lot of stadia - there were stadium specialists in his time and before. But they designed spectator facilities, not destinations. Acroterion (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]