Talk:San Jose State Spartans football

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Rivalry Edit War and Objective Criteria Proposal

A previously unnamed and presumably new editor recently added sloppy descriptions of two football "rivalry" series — one between SJSU and Nevada and one between SJSU and UNLV. The implied rationale for characterizing these matchups as "rivalries" is that both teams play in the same conference. I disagree these are legitimate rivalry series as neither of these games are titled, nor is there a rivalry trophy associated with either of these games. Moreover, SJSU is not located in close geographical proximity to either of these schools, nor is there shared coaching or alumni lineage between SJSU and either of the Nevada schools. Can we agree to an objective set of criteria for determining whether a recurring matchup should, in fact, be considered a rivalry?

I propose for a matchup to be considered a true "rivalry" worthy of its own Wiki section or subsection, it should meet one or more (or maybe two or more) of the following criteria:

1) Game is titled, as in the "Bill Walsh Legacy Game" (SJSU v. Stanford), "Battle for the Valley Trophy" (SJSU v. Fresno), "Border War" (CSU v. Wyoming), "Big Game" (Cal v. Stanford), etc.

2) The existence of a rivalry trophy, as in the Old Brass Spittoon (Michigan v. Michigan State), the "Victory Bell" (UCLA v. USC), the "Fremont Canon" (UNR v. UNLV), the "Valley Trophy" (SJSU v. Fresno), etc.

3) Both schools are located in close geographic proximity to one another, as in cross-town or inner-state schools like Cal and Stanford or SJSU and Stanford.

4) Both schools share high-profile, mutual personal connections, as in SJSU's and Stanford's shared connection to Bill Walsh or SJSU's and Hawaii's shared connection to Dick Tomey.

5) The two teams have played each other a minimum number of times. In the case of SJSU v. UNLV, the two teams have only played each other 27 times. In contrast, SJSU has played Fresno, Stanford, SDSU and Hawaii 85 times, 67 times, 46 times and 45 times, respectively. SJSU has only played Nevada 36 times and the two schools did not even compete in the same conference or even the same league until the 1990s when Nevada moved up to D1A from D1AA.

Initially, I assumed the changes to the Rivalries section were good-faith edits by a new and previously unnamed poster (now identified as Sarabiajaime), but based on more recent edits this looks and feels like vandalism.

Someone please help resolve the "edit war" and perhaps assist with establishing objective criteria for determining whether a college football matchup truly does qualify as a "rivalry." Based on the rationale used by Sarabiajaime, all in-conference matchups could be considered rivalries.

Londonfifo (talk) 01:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

I was just connecting the dots and helping link where the UNR Wolf Pack football and UNLV Rebels football pages both has SJSU listed as rivals. I did some research and referenced/cited credible sources such as the San Francisco Chronicle, Las Vegas Review Journal and Reno Gazette Journal where they references the Spartans as 'rivals' or referenced a history of the 'rivalry' match ups. If these credible sources and the other wiki pages both consider the Spartans as rivals, then why not consider including them as rivals as well?

Coming up with criteria would be great! Although, with this criteria would Cal be considered a rival due to close proximity/ geography? I am sure Cal would not consider SJSU a rival. What about Utah State would they be a 'rival'? SJSU and Utah state have played each other 41 times and the 1st meeting was in 1940. I do not feel they are rivals though. I do not feel UNLV is a rival as well, although there has been something building the past few years and in the 90s there were some close tough games.

But SJSU and UNR I feel could be rivals. UNR and SJSU's 1st game against each other was in 1899. Even before SJSU's and Stanford's 1st meeting in 1900. Along with being 250 miles apart and being the oldest public high ed institutions in neighboring states and some upsets and close match ups between the 2 on national TV in the early 2000s and the credible sources calling it a 'Rivalry' I thin this help support the case.

Either way I am glad and happy to be apart of this community!

Thank you! Sarabiajaime (talk) 22:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move to San Jose State Spartans football. JPG-GR (talk) 21:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

San José State Spartans Football → San José State Spartans football — "football" is not a proper noun. The WP:CFB naming convention uses "football" with a small 'f'. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Support San Jose State Spartans football (no accented é). The page was moved previously because it 'uses "real" title of school with accent over the "e"',[1] but this is not the case according to their website.
Support lower case "f" per WP:CAPS, and the unaccented "e" does appear more common in third-party sources. Station1 (talk) 09:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Since the feeling here so far is to uncapitalize the 'f' and remove that funny line over the 'e', as nominator, I support moving the article to San Jose State Spartans football instead of San José State Spartans football. — X96lee15 (talk) 17:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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