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djhuff (talk · contribs) has been paid by unknown on behalf of Sealevel Systems. Their editing has included contributions to this article. Disclosed here

COI

This article is among several under discussion at WP:COIN, per its creator's general declaration of paid editing, which has not been disclosed for this article in particular. I have tagged the article for COI. The tag should only be removed by an independent editor after he or she has reviewed the article for NPOV, sourcing, and NOTABILITY; who ever does that, please leave a note here. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 11:40, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disclosure

I am a paid contributor and created this page for the company. Djhuff (talk) 11:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making that disclosure. Please do not directly edit this article going forward. Jytdog (talk) 11:55, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Begging your pardon, sir, but there is no stricture against a paid editor making edits to the article. It is often advisable to do so for simple practicality. Other eyes are always watching. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

actually if you read WP:COI, there is. There are two steps to how we manage COI in Wikipedia. The first is disclosure, and the second is having conflicted editors post suggestions to the article talk page for review by others, before the suggestion is implemented. It is true that the guideline says that conflicted editors can make simple, factual updates with good sourcing (for instance, updating financials in an infobox, taken from an annual report). But nothing that may be controversial, with "may be controversial" broadly interpreted. If those two steps are followed, editors with a conflict can contribute, and the integrity of Wikipedia can be maintained. The process is important. Jytdog (talk) 11:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request edit on 13 January 2020

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined.

Under the "Awards" section, I'd suggest adding this: In 2018, founder and CEO Tom O'Hanlan received the Outstanding Manufacturing Lifetime Service Award at the 2018 South Carolina Manufacturing Conference and Expo.^[1]

I would also ask an independent editor to review and remove the template message at the top of the page. In reviewing the history of the page, it seems that any business puffery has been edited out since it was first added in 2014. The article is well-sourced and, along with this updated award from 2018, I would suggest there is enough evidence to be considered notable.

Codylthomas (talk) 16:54, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://upstatebusinessjournal.com/sealevel-founder-ceo-recognized-for-manufacturing-contributions-in-sc/

Reply 13-JAN-2020

Edit request declined

By their very nature, awards can be subjective, in that they represent a very specific point of view — that of the individual or organization which determines who wins the award and why. To counter this, a good practice is to limit the listing of awards to only those which are independently notable in Wikipedia.^[a]
The awards listed in the article did not appear to be independently notable, thus they have been omitted.^[b]

Regards, Spintendo 01:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ An award which is independently notable is recognized by having its own article in Wikipedia.
^ What the reviewer means by notable here is not due to WP:N (which isn't a content requirement). The reviewer uses notability in this case to ensure a neutral point of view. The adding of several points of view to an article in the form of an awards section may skew an article's balance.^[1] Thus, this reviewer's own practice is to limit the listing of awards to those which are independently notable in Wikipedia.

References

^ "WP:BALANCE". Wikipedia. 20 July 2019. ...articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects.

Request edit on 4 February 2020

In the previous request, I had asked for the template message at the top of the article to be removed by an independent editor. This request was not directly referenced in the reply received. Therefore, I am again asking for this template message to be removed. The content in the article is well-sourced and devoid of marketing puffery. If the template message can't be removed, I would request an editor to delete the article completely. Either the article is well-sourced and meets enough notability criteria to exist without the template message or the article doesn't meet the criteria and needs to be deleted completely. Thank you. Codylthomas (talk) 20:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://upstatebusinessjournal.com/sealevel-founder-ceo-recognized-for-manufacturing-contributions-in-sc/

[2] An award which is independently notable is recognized by having its own article in Wikipedia.

[4] What the reviewer means by notable here is not due to WP:N (which isn't a content requirement). The reviewer uses notability in this case to ensure a neutral point of view. The adding of several points of view to an article in the form of an awards section may skew an article's balance.^[1] Thus, this reviewer's own practice is to limit the listing of awards to those which are independently notable in Wikipedia.

[3] "WP:BALANCE". Wikipedia. 20 July 2019. ...articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects.

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