Talk:Shattered (song)

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Requested move 11 January 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:35, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shattered (song) → Shattered (The Rolling Stones song) – There are several songs with the song title of "Shattered". There is another with a Wikipedia article, Shattered (O.A.R. song). Although Rolling Stones song is very well known, it probably not the defining subject for the song title, so it should be disambiguated. One user already moved it to the proposed song title, and another user moved it back, so the move is contested and needs to be discussed. Mburrell (talk) 04:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The O.A.R. song is not named shattered; it is named (and currently located at) Shattered (Turn the Car Around). Calidum 05:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Calidum. There's already a hatnote on this article. Station1 (talk) 05:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:INCDAB due to multiple songs with coverage on Wikipedia. Redirect Shattered (song) to Shattered#Music. -- Netoholic @ 07:31, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support as we can see from the O.A.R. single article that song is just "Shattered" on the O.A.R. single cover, and that is the WP:COMMONNAME. Additionally the Rolling Stones song isn't that notable among songs of this name "song Shattered by" search in GBooks produces also "Shattered" by Trading Yesterday and "Shattered" by Linda Ronstadt. But the main issue is that "Shattered" is the WP:COMMONNAME for a charting single with an article, irrespective of where that article is lodged. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shattered (O.A.R. song)

Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Siddiqsazzad001 <Talk/> 16:13, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Calidum and Station1 and WP:TITLECHANGES. The iconic Stones song has long been stable at this title with no issues. Shattered (Turn the Car Around) is at its NATURAL title, also with no issues. WP:INCDAB is not a basis to change this title since this title is not a redirect. There is nothing wrong with partially disambiguated titles that have primary topics, like this one clearly does. Leave well enough alone. --В²C ☎ 19:42, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Although I have opposed to Shattered (Turn the Car Around) being moved, it does appear that that song is sometimes called just "Shattered" so this along with the other songs at Shattered#Music that don't have articles suggests that this is a WP:PDAB and thus fails WP:PRECISE. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't fail PRECISE if it's the primary topic; which it clearly is for songs named Shattered. Per WP:PDAB, see Wikipedia:Partially_disambiguated_page_names#List_of_partially_disambiguated_article_titles for similar examples, where this one is even listed as one of the examples. --В²C ☎ 22:39, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PRIMARYSONG was rejected at RCF. To hold onto it would open up every article on Wikipedia to arguments about PRIMARYCRICKETER, PRIMARYMOLLUSC etc. Those few legacy cases of local consensus on a few songs are simply the legacy of misunderstanding of en.wp disambiguation and titling in one project. Which was rejected by RFC exposure to the wider editing community. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:33, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Steel Guitar solo

The steel Guitar solo is unmentioned. Back of the LP Cover says Steel Guitar-Ron Wood in shattered. Roooooon (talk) 09:11, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

? Roooooon (talk) 13:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

????! Roooooon (talk) 17:09, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will change it. Roooooon (talk) 17:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Punk rock

Where in the article did it say that shattered was punk rock? Roooooon (talk) 09:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Where does? Don’t see it? Roooooon (talk) 07:10, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"shadoobie"

"shadoobie" in the lyrics. What's that mean ? —Jerome Potts (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source of the lyric "splattered all over Manhattan"

In Kojak Season 5, Episode 1, "The Queen of Hearts Is Wild", Kojak threatens an abusive gangster: "And if you come near her again, I'm going to splatter your brain… all over Manhattan!"

Having aired October 2, 1977 (8 days before recording for "Shattered" began), this is likely the source of the lyric: "My brain's been battered, splattered all over Manhattan." It might warrant a mention. PJV (talk) 08:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]