Talk:Sinéad O'Connor/Archive 2

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2017

2601:704:0:BBA8:A4C2:3B62:7BA2:7BD (talk) 05:11, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Rugrats in Paris: The Movie

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 05:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

The West Coast Broadcast

I was watching the night Sinead O Connor performed on SNL, and tore up the picture of the pope. I was watching in South San Francisco. NBC DID, unequivocally edit that broadcast. I suggest you remove that statement.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF7F:AEE0:D500:7CCE:E6E9:7358 (talk) 00:00, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2017

REMOVE THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE WEST COAST BROADCAST NOT BEING EDITED. IT IS INCORRECT. THE CITED SOURCE IS INCORRECT. Alanmolumby (talk) 00:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 15:00, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Name change to Magda Davitt

How do we deal with this name change? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 01:51, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, I've made Magda Davitt a redirect for now. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Given the overwhelming response (*cough*) to this, I thought it must have been a hoax. But no, it does seem legit. I realise that most of the world still knows her as Sinead O'Connor, but how come we're not acknowledging this in her article? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Here's a reliable source. Sadly she seems to be in a very bad mental state. There's a lot of work & it's really for someone else to change the article. 21:18, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Although the name change is mentioned in the introduction, there seemed to be nothing in the main text, so I've added a sentence. This article says she has changed her name to be "free of parental curses". However, for WP article title purposes she is still clearly known primarily under her old name. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

For future reference, MOS:IDENTITY - "When there is a discrepancy between the term most commonly used by reliable sources for a person or group and the term that person or group uses for themselves, use the term that is most commonly used by reliable sources. If it isn't clear which is most used, use the term that the person or group uses." In my view, that means that the article should remain at Sinéad O'Connor until any point at which it becomes clear that the name Magda Davitt is commonly used in independent reliable sources. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Re the infobox... Template:Infobox person says that the name at the head of the infobox should be the "common name" of the person - by implication therefore, it should match the article title. I will implement a change to that effect - at present, her common name is Sinéad O'Connor though clearly in the circumstances we need to keep it under review. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

PPS: It occurs to me that we have only have her own claim that her legal name has been changed. Recognising WP:BLP, should we make that point in the article? Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Irish Central

There's an article saying O'Connor should receive an apology for the criticism she endured after tearing up the picture of the then-Pope on TV in 1993.[1] Others here are better attuned than I am to the backstory, but to me it looks worth adding to the article. 173.228.123.166 (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit Requests

As previously mentioned by another poster in Confusing Structure above the following should be in 1980s not 1990s: In 1989 O'Connor joined The The frontman Matt Johnson as a guest vocalist on the band's album Mind Bomb, which spawned the duet "Kingdom of Rain".

Also, the source for the following says these were her favourite artists not the ones who influenced her debut album: O'Connor named Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Bob Marley, Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Pretenders as the artists who influenced her on her debut album.

JDE 94.126.214.66 (talk) 22:30, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Odd sentence with odder sourcing

In the section "Controversies" under the "Prince" section, there's a peculiar final sentence: 'In a 2004 interview with Graham Norton, O'Connor claimed that the story was "much exaggerated by the press" and referred to him as "a sweet guy".[64]', while the story she is supposedly referring to was told in 2014. The source on the statement points to a registration only gallery of licensed pictures of Prince[2], which almost certainly does not include records of an interview with Graham Norton. I'd make the fix myself but with the protected status someone with edit privileges will need to take a look.

HHCCYY108.170.151.132 (talk) 04:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Parody on SNL

For some odd reason, this past weekend NBC aired the episode where Jan Hooks did a parody of her and mentioned tearing up the Pope's picture.

Should this sketch (actually, two of them) be mentioned in the section about the controversy if a good source can be found?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:04, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Name change

The article is apparently locked at the moment. When it's unlocked, somebody should add her new name. She's changed her first name to Shuhada as part of her religious conversion.

The name is Shuhada' - i.e. with an ' at the end of the name, as stated in her Twitter name and this BBC News article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-45987127 84.92.90.18 (talk) 09:20, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

It seems a bit hasty to change the article name. At this moment, the article name change appears to be the most recent change made to the article. I would revert it, but I'm not sure I know how to and I'm afraid of damaging the data integrity of the links. Per WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:SPNC, the article name should be changed only if the new name becomes the name routinely used by reliable sources. And, for example, Sinead O'Connor changed her name to Magda Davitt last year, but the article was never moved to reflect that name. I had never even heard that name until now. And now, at this later moment, the article title has been changed back. I suggest we leave the article at the name this person has been known by for decades, and give it about a month to observe the behavior of reliable sources before considering a change. --DavidK93 (talk) 12:37, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I have moved the article title back. Any variation needs consensus here. WWGB (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

(e/c) I agree. To clarify - my earlier comment above was simply to record that I'd corrected her new name in the text. But the article should still be under her old name, per WP:COMMONNAME. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:41, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I noticed that during the short time the article was accessible under the name Shuhada' Davitt, the links to this article in other languages had disappeared. Was it due to a delay in linking to the new name, or was it caused by something else? Bizarre Bizarre^{Talk modern to me} 12:46, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree the name shouldn't be changed unless she becomes better known as Shuhada' Davitt. It's worth noting that Cat Stevens converted to Islam some years ago and changed his name to Yusuf Islam. Our article on him makes reference to this, but can still be found at Cat Stevens, which was his stage name. This is Paul (talk) 13:36, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose article move as per COMMONNAME, She can call herself Cheryl MacDoodles all for I care - She's been known as Sinead O Connor for 20+ plus years so until sources start going with her name we should continue to stick with her old name - Would suggest an RM in a years time. –Davey2010^Talk 16:19, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Not much point, she'll probably have converted to Hinduism in a couple of weeks and changed her name to Scheherazade or something. 86.154.76.218 (talk) 17:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose also per COMMONNAME, plus it's probably just another fad of hers and she'll be converting to something else shortly. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:49, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
• When Caitlyn Jenner changed her name, her article was renamed. Under WP:COMMONNAME, we use Bill Clinton vs "William Jefferson Clinton", "William Clinton", "William J. Clinton", etc, because while all of those names are equally valid, we choose the most common one. But if Clinton were to decide tomorrow to legally change his name to "John Smith", then none of the other options are equally valid - his name is "John Smith". If we're talking about a choice between "Sinead O'Connor", "Sinead Marie O'Connor", and "Sinead M. O'Connor", all are correct, but we go with the common one. But she changed her name and all are not correct any more. It doesn't matter that she might again some day decide to change her name, just as it doesn't matter that Caitlyn might at some point decide to change her name or that anyone else anywhere on the planet might decide to change their name at some point in the future - we use the most common correct name that there is now. --B (talk) 14:56, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

What is the relevant policy or guideline that supports this opinion? There are many articles in Wikipedia where the subject's article title does not match a later-life name change, for example, Shirley Temple, Prince (musician). WWGB (talk) 23:39, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:NAMECHANGES is the relevant guideline. In the case of Shirley Temple, her own website still calls her "Shirley Temple" and basically every reliable source still calls her Shirley Temple. In the case of Prince, he went from being Prince to an unprintable/unpronouncable symbol (most commonly referred to as "the artist formerly known as Prince") and back to Prince. Did he have another name change after that? Davitt/O'Connor's name change is so new that right now the media is just reporting some variation of "Sinead O'Connor has converted to Islam and changed her name to Shuhada' Davitt." So basically every reliable source reporting on her is using both names. --B (talk) 00:48, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Inaccurate quote

What is innacurate aboute this? ~I have cited it. Op47 (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I think I worked it out. Op47 (talk) 15:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

My general opinion is that it shouldn't be on here as it's trivial information, That being said if anyone disagrees I have no objections to it being readded. –Davey2010^Talk 16:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Not every utterance that she makes is notable, nor do they have to be reported here, especially when nonsensical. Muslims can be "white people" too. WWGB (talk) 22:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

This content was originally removed with the comment "(inaccurate quote)". So I changed what I wrote. It has been re reverted with the comment ""Ok, I see the problem" - Well you clearly don't as you have just reveerted, Go to the talkpage and discuss this.". I have come to the talk page and discussed it. There is no comment addressing the fact that it is an innacurate quote and I don't see the problem. Howver, you have questioned the notability and need to include it here. The sheer number of newspaper articles devoted to the matter makes this notable. It is a clearly racist comment and I think it needs to be recorded here. Op47 (talk) 12:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Dates don't make sense

In the 'Relationship with Prince' section, it mentions a quote from 2014 and then seemingly uses a quote from 2004 to refute what the 2014 quote says. Very confusing. Not sure how to edit to correct. Mangofirst (talk) 06:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

SNL Pope incident

It's very famous and a huge piece of television history and it isn't even mentioned on this page. Cs302b (talk) 22:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

It is, it was, and it is indeed mentioned. Merits its own section, in fact, Cs302b... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 20:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in Early Life

In the Early life section there is a paragraph that refers to 1993, some time after her pop career had taken off. Shouldn't this be somewhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.17.0.1 (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I think not, because it covers comments that she has made about her childhood. However, to improve the flow I've moved a few sentences about her early involvement in music to the next section. This gives a better flow, in my view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:55, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2019

Change "In November 2019, she apologised for the remarks, saying "They were not true at the time and they are not true now" to "In September 2019, she apologised for the remarks, saying "They were not true at the time and they are not true now" Pawan Dubey (talk) 14:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Oops!  Done Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:48, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Taoiseach

Hello, let's not view it as "forcing the reader to open a whole other page" so much as "invite the reader to explore more of Wikipedia" in order to learn the meaning of taoiseach. I believe every reader has the right to a full explanation of what the term means rather than just bracketing a couple of words next to it in a direct quote. And we must remember that direct quotes should not be changed except for a very good reason. Elizium23 (talk) 13:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

AFter seeing the recent edit summaries, which may be confusing for some, and for the avoidance of doubt, it should be noted that a "prime minister" is the term used by some countries to refer to their taoiseach. (On a serious note, I fully agree, Elizium23 - we shouldn't be so anglo-centric. There's no need to put "German prime minister" after "Angela Merkel is a German politician serving as Chancellor of Germany since 2005.", and there's no need to explain here what the term taoiseach means.) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

name change

"Shuhada' Davitt." Is this a misprint? Seems to be a mix of two names. --134.153.2.217 (talk) 19:03, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

It seems to come from this 2018 source, which refers to her Twitter account under that name, and also quotes a Twitter post from the Imam of Islamic Centre Ireland. Here is a 2019 interview in which she is questioned about her name changes and says: "I changed my surname also, so it’s Shuhada Sadaqat." Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

SNL incident probably not about child sex abuse

The legend now is that Sinead O'Conner tore up the picture in order to draw public attention to the issue of clerical sex abuse of children, but the contemporary evidence doesn't seem to support this. If you recall, she tore up the picture and said "fight the real enemy" without an explanation. (She changed a lyric in the song to "child abuse" but not "child rape" or "child sex abuse"). Afterwards, she declined to issue any explanation and had her spokesperson fob off the media, as you can see in this article: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=OjkfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=A88EAAAAIBAJ&dq=elaine%20schock&pg=5336%2C1491113

After about a month (after she was booed at the Bob Dylan event, which may be what prompted her), she finally offered an explanation in this TIME Magazine interview (Issue of November 9, 1992). http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,976937-1,00.html But while she mentions that "the priests have been beating the s--- out of the children for years and sexually abusing them," her emphases seem to be on a) the church's complicity in genocide, b) child abuse more generally ("Sexual and physical. Psychological. Spiritual. Emotional. Verbal."), c) the church's control of education, which she seems to blame for Irish parents abusing their children.

She sums up her position by saying, "I consider the Vatican to be anti-Christian because in the name of Christianity, they committed anti-Christian acts. They blessed the bombs that went into Ethiopia. They gave permission for the Irish people to be starved, the French people, the African people, for the Jewish people to be slaughtered. They are responsible for all of the destruction we see in the world today." She's not very articulate here (the interviewer presses her twice on the connection between the church and child abuse, and doesn't get a clear answer), but she seems, 1992, to be more preoccupied with the global political influence of the Catholic church rather than with the issue of predatory priests. In much later interviews, after the Catholic sex abuse scandal broke wide open (especially in Ireland), she says the SNL incident was a protest against sex abuse, but it seems like she's retroactively redefining it. 2600:6C55:6700:342:65B7:4913:28E7:5AFF (talk) 14:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

As it stands, the article makes it seem as though Joe Pesci and Madonna were making heartless fun of someone protesting the rape of children. It should be made clear that Pesci couldn't have know what she was protesting (because she was still silent about her motives when he hosted), and if Madonna read or heard about the interview in TIME, she would have assumed the protest was just a general, unfocused grouse about the Catholic church.2600:6C55:6700:342:65B7:4913:28E7:5AFF (talk) 14:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020

In the section discussing her After Dark appearance, the written text reads, "former Irish Prime Minister...". However Ireland does NOT have a Prime Minister. The head of the government body is called "An Taoiseach". This is not the same title, however the role is comparable. "Prime Minister" is the British title. Please change this. It is of monstrous disrespect to the Irish people. Shanemalone (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC) "monstrous disrespect to the Irish people"? Exaggerating a little bit - I don't think they would mind too much. Starfighter71

 Done Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:43, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2020

she is catholic again, saint bryan said so. 2001:1970:4FA0:CF00:11C1:E8F0:CF23:7AF5 (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Could you point to sources? – Thjarkur (talk) 19:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Inaccurate reference

In the 'Remarks About Prince' section there is a sentence about an interview with a reference number at the end, however the reference does not link to the interview mentioned. Instead it links to reference number 68, which is a gallery image at Prince.org, a fan site. "In a 2004 interview with Graham Norton, O'Connor claimed that the story was "much exaggerated by the press" and referred to him as "a sweet guy".[68]" --Mangofirst (talk) 16:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, the referenced interview date of 2004, in which O'Connor allegedly claims the original reception of what she said was "much exaggerated" precedes the date of the referenced interview which is 2014. --Mangofirst (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Sinead main description is lacking

Used to have Sinead is a “singer”, changed to “singer-songwriter”. Still lacks recognition of her actual definition: O’Connor is just as significantly a musician and a producer concerning her profession/description. Her work with other producers and on her own is significant aspect of her career, most especially concerning her use of sampling in production (ie: the track “Famine” on the record Universal Mother samples from Fiddler on the Roof, Miles Davis, “Eleanor Rigby” and Irish politician Jack Lynch). It is even fair to say that she is an artist-activist as her music has consistently addressed topical issues of injustice (see “Black Boys on Mopeds” etc.).

2607:F2C0:E6F6:803:DF7:C0E4:9B06:277E (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Arabic name not in references

The Arabic transliterations of her name are not provided in the references which have been cited. Please find references for these assertions, or I will be forced to assume it is WP:OR. Elizium23 (talk) 00:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

It's just the Arabic you want a citation for? The sentence currently reads After converting to Islam in 2018, she changed it to Shuhada' Sadaqat (Arabic: شهداء صدقات‎, romanized: šuhadāʾ ṣadaqāt). That she changed her name is covered by three sources there, and a further one in the body. The references never cited the Arabic transliteration, they cited the fact that she had changed her name to Shuhada' Sadaqat. So what you would want isn't a 'failed verification' tag, it's a 'citation needed' tag. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:27, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Pronunication of first name

Would someone cleverer than me with syntax please insert /ʃiˈnɛɪd/ at a suitable point. HuPi (talk) 13:20, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Inaccurate Account of National Anthem Not Being Played (section: 1990s)

As it reads now:

″Also in 1990, she was criticised after she stated that she would not perform if the United States national anthem was played before one of her concerts. Frank Sinatra threatened to "kick her in the ass".[25]″

As it reads in Sinead O’Connor’s own word in her book “Rememberings” (pg 197):

″But the whole thing was an extraordinary setup. While I was onstage, the two sleeveens called a local television news show and created a nationwide fuss by falsely reporting that I had sought them out and demanded the anthem not be played before the show. They also claimed that I told them I would not go on if it was played. Which is entirely untrue. One’s tour insurance would never cover one for such a decision (I told you I’m no eejit).″

O’Connor, Sinead (2021), Rememberings. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. pp. 197. 2607:FEA8:955F:D250:5524:41E:B7F1:5C25 (talk) 23:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

The above is contradicted by O'Connor's statement at the time, '"I sincerely harbor no disrespect for America or Americans, but I have a policy of not having any national anthems played before my concerts in any country, including my own, because they have nothing to do with music in general," she said.' (per reference 25). Can you suggest a form of words that would address that? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

OK to add?

Seeing the notices about "Bio of a Living Person" rules, are these items relevant, allowed, too recent?

• Details in multiple newspapers (UK, US but not Irish) about Shane O'Connor's notes, last days and funeral?
• Yesterday's news about Ms O'Connor from several sources including IrishCentral, apparently based on Twitter feeds including O'Connor's official one.

Thanks, 85.235.177.34 (talk) 09:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

I will think and respond, but for now removing that spelt-out link. SeoR (talk) 12:05, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

BLP caution applies. I leave the final call to those with specialisation in biographies, and /or on this subject - but we should be cautious. Despite what some think, the encyclopedia does not have to strive to be "up to the minute" (see WP:NOTNEWS) as even apparent facts may have some complication or nuance. On the first point, something I've already dealt with, I'd await authoritative coverage in reputable sources. On the second, this is by the way of breaking news, and the only solid source is the subject themselves, and so I think it probably awaits more general reporting (if that ever happens). SeoR (talk) 12:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Agree with SeoR on this. Await good secondary sources. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:42, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Song identification

In the paragraph about the Bob Dylan tribute performance, in the sentence

She called for the keyboard player to stop and the microphone to be turned up, and then screamed over the audience with an improvised, shouted rendition of "War"

Please wikilink "War" as "War". That is a pipelink to War (Bob Marley song). There are dozens of songs called "War" and I had to look up which one was meant. Source: [3] 2602:24A:DE47:B8E0:1B43:29FD:A863:33CA (talk) 04:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! hemantha (brief) 08:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Though I now see that it is linked earlier in the SNL section, may be two wouldn't count as overlinking I hope. hemantha (brief) 08:45, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2022

….Her single "Nothing Compares 2 U" was released….

Should read:

…Her cover of the single “Nothing Compares 2 U”. ….

This song was written and performed by Prince. Sinead simply covered this song. Smithketo (talk) 20:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Different picture with hijab?

It's disrespectful to show a woman who chose to wear the hijab without her hijab when there are plenty of other, recent pictures to use. Could someone change it? Mightbeaquarian (talk) 23:40, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

If you have a picture of her wearing a hijab that's in the public domain or freely licensed, per WP:IMAGEPOL, then by all means, please add it! Shannon Alther (talk) 20:27, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

March 2022

It is quite astounding that mentioning her successful albums in the lead was reverted with a dubious comment, without mentioning that linking Prince in the lead was also reverted. [4]. Bastun you have to justify your lame edit. Spiderdiv (talk) 02:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• Ok it is corrected. Do not revert this again. Spiderdiv (talk) 02:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Exsqueeze me?! Spiderdiv, you have a total of 265 edits. I've been here over 16 years. I think I know how Wikipedia works at this stage. You might want to read up on things like WP:BRD before you accuse others of "edit warring" and start threatening other editors. For the record, my edit summary, "Revert good faith additions which generally don't serve to improve the article, and introduced errors." was both a) polite, and b) correct. Cop on. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Typo in the first paragraph.

"selling to more than seven copies worldwide.[6]" More than 7 copies? I guess it's technically true, but what is going on here? 2601:602:9200:D3D0:B581:A451:569F:236A (talk) 17:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done

Yup, typos. Fixed now. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You don't have to be smart to guess that "millions of" was not included by mistake while editing. Had you checked the source, or even ponder a bit, you would have concluded this. And wikipedia is supposed to be a collaborative project, certainly not with a certain type of stiff people. Next! Spiderdiv (talk) 02:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Somebody fixed your mistake. The correct response is "Oops! Thank you.", not rudeness to the person who pointed out a mistake. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Gospel Oak

Why is Gospel Oak album not listed as n the discology? It’s my favorite. 2604:CB00:1795:8300:30BB:72D0:BE51:4BAF (talk) 23:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Page Name

Should the page name change to Shuhada Sadaqat since that’s what she legally changed her name to? I think so but it’s not just up to me. GamerKlim9716 (talk) 20:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

In short, no. See WP:Common, we use the name by which a person is commonly known, not any specific legal form, etc. SeoR (talk) 23:46, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

The page still starts with Shuhada Sadaqat, which I think is wrong. She still performs as O'Connor and that is what she is publically known as. Her muslim name should be in the lead, but not at the start. Ashmoo (talk) 07:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

It's not "her muslim name" (sic), it's her name, and so that's what we start with. Sinéad O'Connor is her stage name, and the most common, so that's the page title. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Sons death

O'Connor's son Shane was found dead in the Bray area of County Wicklow on January 8 after escaping suicide watch at Tallaght Hospital a day earlier. He was laid to rest on January 15 following a "very lovely Hindu ceremony", O'Connor said on Twitter at the time.Mar 4, 2022 2601:18D:8901:C810:F053:219E:5B03:2CE6 (talk) 03:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

His death is covered in the Marriages and children section. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Singing the athan

You can’t say singing the athan ..it’s a call for prayer..not singing 2001:8F8:1167:CB81:E877:11EC:F91D:E48D (talk) 22:33, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done Changed to "...reciting the adhan". Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:05, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Confusing Structure

In the 1990's sections there are two things that I found confusing, let me quote:

Her second album ...

In 1989 O'Connor joined ... (Why is this here in this section? and not at the end of the one above?)

...

In 1990, ... was followed by the release of Am I Not Your Girl?, an album of standards and torch songs that she had listened to while growing up. The album received mixed-to-poor reviews, and was a commercial disappointment in light of the success of her previous work.

Also in 1990, she was criticized after ...

The album Am I Not Your Girl? was released in 1992. This structure doesn't make this clear. In fact the whole paragraph seems to start with versions of "in 1990"... If 1990 was that key of a year for her, then perhaps it needs it's own sub-section with an explanation of who important that one year was...

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2023

Sinead O'Connor mainly sings and plays guitar, she doesn't play bass, keyboards, percussion or low whistle 2601:580:C180:22D0:A449:6109:9AB1:C16F (talk) 12:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done removed the unsourced claims. M.Bitton (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2023

Add forthcoming book "Why Sinead O'Connor Matters" by Allyson McCabe, University of Texas Press to further reading section. Link: https://utpress.utexas.edu/9781477325704/why-sinead-oconnor-matters/ StudyUPTex (talk) 21:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See WP:CRYSTAL. If it it turns out to be an important/significant book when released, then it can be considered, but not until then. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)