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On 6 January 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Iberian imperial eagle. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Actual status

Is the status "endangered" (per text) or "vulnerable" (per graphic)? Whogue 01:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is now classified as "vulnerable"[1]. The population is small but increasing slowly. Raoulduke47 17:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 16:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish imperial eagle → Iberian imperial eagle – For greater clarity, fairness, precision and neutrality. I created this discussion though I feel like a consensus has already been reached to a degree: Most other language wikis seem to have adopted this or another form instead. The Portuguese Wiki lists it as Águia-imperial-ibérica, in galician it's Aguia imperial ibérica, in French it's Aigle ibérique, in German it's Iberianadler, in Hungarian it's Ibériai sas and in Polish it's Orzeł iberyjski, while in Spanish and Italian it's listed by its scientific name Aquila adalberti but otherwise the infobox and the text refer to it as águila imperial ibérica and aquila imperiale iberica respectively. Wareno (talk) 12:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Spain has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Birds has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Portugal has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The question to be adressed here is "which is the most common English-language name for the species?" Pursuant to WP:ENGLISH and WP:UCN, if it is Iberian imperial eagle, then for all means move to Iberian imperial eagle. If it is Spanish imperial eagle then, I am afraid the title should stay as it is, whatever the most common name is in other languages.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do the rules of Wikipedia specify whether common name takes precedence over neutrality and consensus? Wareno (talk) 15:35, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike in other contexts, I am not convinced "neutrality" (as you seem to understand neutrality) plays a big role when dealing with species of animals. I suspect that readers know in advance that animal species have not a nationality. In that light, wouldn't Iberian-Moroccan imperial eagle be a more neutral name? I do not know what consensus are you referring to. That said, if Iberian is more used than the current title, please, for all means, move the article, but failing to account for usage is a weak point of this request for renaming, to put it lightly.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is unfortunate then, that readers would be led to assume that this particular species of bird pertains to one nationality rather than several or none at all. I suppose it would be better to use the scientific name in that case. Regardless, a move is obviously going to happen at some point. Wareno (talk) 16:16, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"a move is obviously going to happen at some point" I hope so. Cheers.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move - on English wikipedia we follow the IOC 14.1 who have Spanish imperial eagle. The IOC is not alone in using "Spanish":

Clements (Oct 2023) +ebird +BOW: Spanish eagle
Birdlife/IUCN: Spanish imperial eagle
Collins Bird Guide: Spanish imperial eagle

Cornell BOW reports that as of 2019 there are 17 breeding pairs in Portugal and 630 pairs in Spain. The European Breeding Bird Atlas 2 (2020) p. 454 uses Spanish imperial eagle. There are very few reports of the species occurring in Portugal, and almost no reports of breeding. - Aa77zz (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, I think that "Iberian imperial eagle" is a better name but my personal preference is not relevant to this discussion. - Aa77zz (talk) 20:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: A web search seems to suggest to me that the current name is the WP:COMMONNAME. Also per Aa77zz. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move - Kweetal nl (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Oppose move based on English common name and reliable sources. The common name in other languages is irrelevant to the English language name. — Jts1882 | talk 09:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Reference needing deletion or new link

I almost want to delete this, but it's written in such detail that maybe it would be better if someone found the original and put it in. "Seibold, I.; Helbig, A. J.; Meyburg, B. U.; Negro, J. J. & Wink, M. (1996). "Genetic Differentiation and Molecular Phylogeny of European Aquila Eagles (Aves: Falconiformes) According to Cytochrome-b Nucleotide Sequences" (PDF). In Meyburg, B. U. & Chancellor, R. D. (eds.). Eagle Studies. Berlin: World Working Group on Birds of Prey. pp. 1–15." That redirects to "https://www.ipmb.uni-heidelberg.de/wink.html" which according to my Firefox's translator, says that this professor is unavailable, basically. I'm busy, so could someone who's better at this sort of thing find another source for the PDF/book?Wacape (talk) 12:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]