Talk:St. Jude storm

October 2013 United Kingdom storm was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 28 October 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into St. Jude storm. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

A fact from St. Jude storm appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 November 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a man was killed in the St Jude storm by flying tiles?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2013/November.

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Incorrect Numbers

At the top and in the 'facts' panel on the side, deaths are reported as 17. However, in the casualties section it is described as 18. Which one is correct? Mikbob (talk) 17:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the reference of the number at the top, which actually leads to a article saying at least 13 people are dead, so I've now removed the reference and replaced it with ^{[citation needed]}. The old link was http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24705734. If anyone can find a reference it would be much appreciated. Mikbob (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Named by who?

from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/438817/Lightning-strikes-as-biggest-storm-since-1987-sweeps-in -Leon Brown, forecaster for The Weather Channel, said wind speed in the jet stream – a ribbon of air which circulates the globe and influences the weather – could hit 200mph. He said: “We continue to monitor developments very closely for this coming Monday. “The storm in question, which we have named Saint Jude, is currently a minor disturbance over the Gulf of Mexico which will propagate eastwards and become caught in a ferocious jet stream currently off the eastern seaboard of the US.

my boldingLacunae (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC) http://www.channel4.com/news/met-office-we-dont-know-why-the-storm-is-called-st-jude[reply]

Yes, the correct name for the storm is not the St Jude storm for sure, this article should be renamed. Skycycle (talk) 17:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The "official" Berlin-designated name is Christian, so rename it "Windstorm Christian" or similar if you want. However, "St Jude storm" is now what it is being referred to by the Met Office and the vast majority of British press and public. GeorgeGriffiths (talk) 18:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From what I recall from the Hurricane Bawbag naming dispute, neither the Berlin name nor St Jude are official, and certainly the St Jude name has gained greater currency than the Bawbag name, being used on the BBC no less. The point was that the St Jude name didn't come from the met office (they've said so, see above) and we have a direct quote in a citeble source (daily express isn't my preferred choice, but I think it's credible in this situation) of a spokeman from the weather channel saying they named it saint Jude. I think then it is reasonable to link to the controversy the Weather Channel names have met with in North America for extratropical winter storms, though if you think it throws the article on a tangent, I don't object to the omission. As the system in Europe seems more ad-hoc and not a pre-season arranged list of names. (and in my opinion, the name is a better choice than the style chosen for the american storms).Lacunae (talk) 19:03, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, Lacaunae, I must be blind, that link did say the WC had coined the term. The Guardian is a credible RS, but looks like it's wrong. I'll leave this to others and get some specs. Ericoides (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks! I still somewhat disagree that referring to an event which hapened on 27-28 october 2002 as occuring 11 years ago to the day as being original research, but hey, different wiki editor tribes.Lacunae (talk) 20:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Put it back in by all means, I won't rv it.Personally, I'd like a source, and I'd also add that these things often take place in autumn so the fact that it's on the same day is perhaps not a great surprise. Ericoides (talk) 20:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I see you have found a source for it! Ericoides (talk) 07:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

weather map

can we get a weather map added to this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.35.82.171 (talk) 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Newhaven boy drowned

Although tragic, this incident happened on the Sunday afternoon, some 12 hours before Jude arrived in the area, so is not relevant to the article. It should also be noted that the met office downgraded their forecasts on the Sunday evening - although clearly some areas had hurricane force winds, gusts of no more than 50mph were more typical. As such it it is nothing more than a normal October storm so it is questionable whether it needs its own article at all. Comparisons to the Great Storm of 1987 are way off mark. Dsergeant (talk) 09:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Le Monde are reporting this as part of the storm story. Mjroots (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't a storm in the UK. Gusts are irrelevant and the maximum sustained wind speed of 46 knots makes it a force 9 gale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.155.202 (talk) 15:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Landfall

We claim (with no refs) "The storm made landfall in the early hours of 28 October." AFAIK, that was for the UK. I think it reached France somewhat earlier late on the 27th. Anyone have any refs about this? Ericoides (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Belgium

The article says nothing about how the storm affected Belgium. Mjroots (talk) 23:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This from the BBC briefly mentions motorways across Belgium had to close. The storm hitting Belgium is also noted by Al-Jazeera. Must be more out there though. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest it may be preferable to list the sections by country in a roughly west to east order, rather than alphabetically, to provide a roughly chronological version of events. Also in regards to the Belgium and Germany sections requiring expansion this may be because the path of the storm over the North Sea most likey impacted on the territory of Germany and Belgium less. I've seen some general trees blown down type articles from these nations and Latvia and Russia too, but nothing especially notable. There are some sources detailing some storm surge in the Baltic, but no real damages. The St Petersburg barrier appears to have been closed, I wonder about the Maeslantkering etc.. and any other storm surge/seiche info. I'd also expect there to be more information regarding shipping incidents, but these might be less due to the forecasts. I don't know if there is more info about the impact on electricity generation/power station shut downs/electricity imports/trading prices, but I guess it is probably too early for this information.Lacunae (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dead links

(Thought I'd open a new section with this. There are bound to be a lot of dead links at news sites that were linked on the day of the storm or shortly after.)

71^ "Schwere Sturmschäden an Greetsieler Mühle" [Severe storm damage to the Greetsiel Mill] (in German). NDR. 29 October 2013. Retrieved 29 October 2013. The video can now be found at http://www.ndr.de/regional/niedersachsen/oldenburg/greetsiel261.html , but I have no idea how to link it correctly, with all the metadata requested. Help, please...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zipor haNefesch (talk • contribs) 15:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Piers Corbyn

Previous version

"The storm was first forecasted in the week before it occurred, with the Met Office supercomputer modelling the storm four days before it even formed.^[1] Initial predictions, broadcast on 24 October, were that the south coast would be affected."

Corbyn version

"The storm was first forecasted some six weeks ahead by the private subscription service operated by Piers Corbyn, called www.weatheraction.com, based on solar and lunar forecasting techniques.(see http://www.weatheraction.com/resource/data/wact1/docs/Eu%201310OCT%2030d%20PRESSmaps17&30SepScan18OctInfo.pdf first produced on the 16th September.) The Met Office's so-called "supercomputer," by contrast, was way behind Corbyn's predictions, only managing to model the storm four days before it formed.^[2] Initial predictions, broadcast on 24 October, were that the south coast would be affected."

I appreciate the reference, but I think the way it's been presented is not the best way to deal with it. Wikipedia certainly doesn't use language such as -so-called "supercomputer" and the tone is wrong. There are also issues with undue weight to the prediction. Also from the reference it looks like his timing of the storm was off, this should be mentioned when adding this I think, which looks more coincidental to me.Lacunae (talk) 14:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC) Also, I'm unsure of whether the source can be used as a reference on wikipedia, given the limited use copyright states it should not be "circulated on the web".Lacunae (talk) 15:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Piers Corbyn of the private subscription service Weatheraction claims to have predicted the storm as many as 6 weeks before it struck based on his own solar and lunar forecasting technique."

Something along these lines would I think make a more neutral in tone entry.Lacunae (talk) 19:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bored of removing Piers Corbyn vandalism, any more and all mentions of him are to be removed from the page on sight.Lacunae (talk) 09:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Prynne, Miranda (28 October 2013). "Met Office supercomputer mapped storm long before it had formed". The Telegraph. Retrieved 5 November 2013.
^ Prynne, Miranda (28 October 2013). "Met Office supercomputer mapped storm long before it had formed". The Telegraph. Retrieved 5 November 2013.

Youtube Video of Storm

There is nice Youtube video record of the storms effect in North London you may want to mention in the article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ghL3Eyf3Oo Lots of footage of blown-over trees etc. As they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blutey (talk • contribs) 15:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Irrelevant uncited detail (section Casualties, subsection Denmark)

I am deleting this sentence which seems like a vandalism that reads out of context. I found nothing in the news citation at end of sentence that mentions the overdosing person:

Danish's mother was also found dead at 35 due to a heroin overdose. Cloptonson (talk) 08:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Prynne, Miranda (28 October 2013). "Met Office supercomputer mapped storm long before it had formed". The Telegraph. Retrieved 5 November 2013.

[2] Prynne, Miranda (28 October 2013). "Met Office supercomputer mapped storm long before it had formed". The Telegraph. Retrieved 5 November 2013.

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