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The Sydney Conservatorium of Music incorporates a lot of history, with a lot of divisions - each of which could possibly incorporate their own article.

NSW State Conservatorium of Music (1915-1990) incorporating the Newcastle Conservatorium

Sydney Conservatorium of Music (1990-2006) as a campus of the University of Sydney

Department of Music, University of Sydney as the Arts Music unit of the Sydney Conservatorium (as of 2005)

Should each of these be dealt with in their own articles?

Alumni

Also, if people could help compile a list of Con alumni... the link to Kim Walker is wrong

why the dept of music?

Why on earth has a relatively substantial chunk on a quite different part of the university recently been added? I'm going to remove it soon. If someone can be bothered, the text might be recreated in a separate article; but since this Arts department no longer exists, this would be of purely historical bearing. Tony 14:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's relevant because the USYD Department of Music had its own notable history with its own notable alumni. The nature of the amalgamation means that the Arts Music unit continues to operate as an independent department (albeit with a greater sharing of resources (including lecturers and students) between the two campuses). I believe that the history of Arts Music is notable enough to warrant its section in this article. Phanatical 01:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If that history is so notable, there should be a separate article, with a minor mention here, given the relatively small size of this Arts Music outfit compared with that of the Con, and the recency of the formal subsuming of the unit into the Con. It was out of proportion, given that there are no separate sections, and little information, on the divisions of the Con (e.g., Music Ed, Musicology, Composition, Performance, etc). Tony 14:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that if content on the Con in comparison to the Arts Music is out of proportion, then it warrants further contribution to the article, not the removal of an indepth piece of content. Also, as I mentioned before, the Arts Music unit has a notable history comparable to that of the Con itself. Because of this, I would further argue that content on the Arts Music Unit is more relevant to this article than the information on the Newcastle Conservatorium.

I do (rather than "would") argue that this is POV. The title of the article is "Sydney Conservatorium of Music"; if you want to write a potted history of the Dept of Music, do it under its own title. I don't understand what the problem is. If you want to include all of that detail in this article, I suggest that you either write up the other parts about the Con so that they're about eight times their current size, or significantly reduce the amount of detail in the Arts Music unit. I have some issues with the text in the Arts Music section in any case. Tony 15:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History book

Who's got a copy of Dianne ?'s book on the history of the Con, published just a few years ago? We need to cite it a number of times here. Tony (talk) 05:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Newcastle Conservatorium

Changes are being made under the guise of Head of School Prof. Richard Vella, and have been greatly welcomed, bringing a new vibrance to the institution.

This is obviously not neutral, and does not represent both sides to the reaction to Prof. Vella's changes to the conservatorium program.

Also, it sounds like an advertisement.

Johnothan james smith (talk) 01:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Staff changes

@Neenypicko and Conuninsw: If there have been changes to the leadership, please wait for the Conservatorium website to be updated before trying to update the Wikipedia article. Thanks! -- John of Reading (talk) 06:24, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Hill, co-founder of the NSW Conservatorium

There is no mention of Hill in the article. This is fairly outrageous given the place would never have existed without his founding influence. The two founders of the NSW Conservatorium of Music in 1915 were Alfred Hill and Henri Verbrugghen. This is what the article should show. If in any doubt merely look up the Wiki on Alfred Hill! Why is this omission being pointed out only now, in 2024? Why does the NSW Conservatorium want lies told about its provenance? This is incredibly easy information to verify 2405:6E00:492:E83C:3869:2D33:D3C3:453E (talk) 05:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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