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A fact from Tayway appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 August 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Tayway 73 between Dundee and Arbroath is the only UK bus route outside London to retain conductors?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tayway.

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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A New Routemaster bus operating Tayway route 73 during a three-month trial in 2014

~~... that you can still find conductors onboard the Tayway 73 (pictured) between Dundee and Arbroath, the only UK bus route outside London to retain them?~~

Source: "The Tayway 73 is the only route outside London that still has conductors on board collecting fares." [1]

- ALT1:... that the Tayway 73 bus route (pictured) between Dundee and Arbroath in Scotland introduced conductors in 1985, despite most routes in the area having got rid of them several years before? Source: "Conductors were brought back by Strathtay - Stagecoach's predecessor - in 1985..." "Conductors had been commonplace throughout Tayside and Fife but disappeared under public ownership in the late 1970s and early 1980s..." [2]
- ALT2:... that the bus conductors on the Tayway 73 route in Scotland (pictured) are known as "clippies"? Source: "Conductors, affectionately known as clippies,..." [3]
- ALT3:... that the Tayway 73 between Dundee and Arbroath is thought to be the only UK bus route outside London to retain conductors? Source: "Stagecoach's popular 73 route is thought to be the only bus service outside London that still has an on-board conductor." [4]

I think this is accurate, as according to this BBC article [5], A small number of Heritage Routemaster buses on route 15 will continue to operate with conductors. Is this acceptable? I am fine to go with ALT1 if not though. Thanks again, PinkPanda272 (talk/contribs) 17:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Yeoman Warders Club

Created by PinkPanda272 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:19, 6 August 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Y Article is long enough (1987 characters), new enough (created 3 August, nominated 6 August), and is within policy
N ALT0 has 2 issues: [6] is a primary source, a secondary source would be needed for the hook. More importantly, I don't believe the hook is correct anymore, as London got rid of its conductors on the Routemaster in 2016 ([7])
Y ALT1 is short enough, interesting, and well cited
N ALT2 is not at all interesting, as "clippies" is a common nickname for bus conductors, so not at all unique that they're called clippies on this route
N File:Stagecoach LT312 (15517022428).jpg is freely licenced and looks good at low resolution (possibly with a slight crop off the top- at the discretion of the promoter). However, WP:DYKIMG says that the image "must already be in the article", which is not the case here, as File:Stagecoach LT312 (15702408625).jpg is used in the article instead. Also the image caption should probably highlight the fact that it's a bus that was formerly used on the 73 route, as it was a 3-month trial from Nov 2014 that ended
Y QPQ done
PinkPanda272 ALT1 is the only acceptable hook in my opinion, if you would like another hook to run then feel free to suggest another. And can the image for the hook be added to the article as well? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph2302: Thanks for the review. I appreciate the clarification regarding the rules about Primary Sources and images, I have now added the correct image to the article, and edited the caption to clarify the trial aspect. Regarding ALT0, I have reworded and linked to The Courier article that is used for the other two hooks:

- ALT3:... that the Tayway 73 between Dundee and Arbroath is thought to be the only UK bus route outside London to retain conductors? Source: "Stagecoach's popular 73 route is thought to be the only bus service outside London that still has an on-board conductor." [8]

I think this is accurate, as according to this BBC article [9], A small number of Heritage Routemaster buses on route 15 will continue to operate with conductors. Is this acceptable? I am fine to go with ALT1 if not though. Thanks again, PinkPanda272 (talk/contribs) 17:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Y As per the above clarifications (heritage Routemasters do still run in London with conductors, ALT0 is now using secondary source), ALT0, ALT1 & ALT3 are all short enough, interesting, and well sourced. Up to promoter which one they think is the "hookiest"
Y Image is now used in article, and all other image criteria have already been checked
PinkPanda272 This is good to go with ALT0, ALT1 or ALT3. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph2302 - ALT0 is still using the primary source (I had intended for ALT3 to replace this) so I have scored this out and moved ALT3 up to the top of the page. So clarify, I am happy with ALT1 or ALT3. Thanks again for the review, PinkPanda272 (talk/contribs) 16:30, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for claryifying. Approving ALT1 & ALT3 only. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]