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GA Review

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

   The lead section does not summarize the article correctly, therefore, should be rewritten. Consider read the articles Big Star, The Smashing Pumpkins, and The Beatles as examples.--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

   You wrote in the infobox that the genre of The Kooks is indie rock and alternative rock, but in the section musical style and influences, the band is described as indie pop and britpop. Add sources and do a better description. (see also Destroy Destroy Destroy)--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   On hold for a week.--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

   Fail. More than two weeks without improvement; largely due to inactivity of the nominator. There are still issues to be addressed.--Cannibaloki 18:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• "The Kooks are an English indie rock band from Brighton, England. Formed in 2004, the band currently consists of lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist Luke Pritchard, lead guitarist Hugh Harris, drummer Paul Garred and bassist Peter Denton." English from England is something like Sepultura, Brazilian [band] from Brazil?--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Taking their name from the David Bowie song "Kooks", the band were signed to Virgin Records after just three months of performing locally around Brighton." The band signed with Virgin Records only after take their name from the David Bowie song "Kooks"? What was the motivation for the band perform locally around Brighton? Why they started playing? Influenced by…?--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Drawing influence from artists and bands such as Neil Young, The Police and The Rolling Stones." And? Drawing influence from these artists, Luke Pritchard made the decision to form a band?--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "The members of the band have since revealed that they felt they weren’t ready at the time, 'We were way too early to sign a record deal to be honest with you. We were really young, we'd been together like two or three months, so we really didn't want to sign. But then we thought it's a really good opportunity and Virgin seemed like really cool people—they just seemed to really understand where we were coming from.,' said Pritchard, who has also complimented the space the record label allowed for the band to grow, 'They were patient with us and let us develop our style, whatever it is.'" Who said that first quote, the band members or Pritchard?

• "Following their first tour [where?], The Kooks began recording recorded their debut album, Inside In/Inside Out, at Konk studios in London."

• "First week sales of the album were minimal, at 19,098." Are you sure that nineteen thousand copies of an album [by an indie rock band] in its first week of sales is really minimal?--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Although, the album eventually climbed up the charts and peaked at number two for a total of two weeks on the UK Albums Chart. The first single released off the album, "Eddie's Gun", was a top 40 hit and Inside In/Inside Out would ultimately produce six top 40 hits, including two top 10 hits; "Naïve" and "She Moves in Her Own Way"." Not a good wording. Analyzing an excerpt from Radiohead article, I found a good example of how the text of The Kooks should 'flow'.--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• While Radiohead were seen as outsiders to the Britpop scene that dominated the media's attention at the time, they were finally successful in their home country with The Bends. The album was driven by dense riffs and ethereal atmospheres from the band's three guitarists, with greater use of keyboards than their debut. Singles "Fake Plastic Trees", "High and Dry", "Just", and "Street Spirit (Fade Out)" achieved chart success in the UK, "Street Spirit (Fade Out)" put Radiohead in the top five for the first time.

• The excerpt above shows Radiohead reaching success in their home country; briefly their musical style, and a summary about the album's singles. Embed this writing style in that [The Kooks, of course] article.--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "The album went on to be certified triple platinum within a year and has sold over two million units to date." Certified where and by whom? Sold worldwide?--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Some critics were less satisfied with The Kooks' debut…" That does not sound encyclopedic. Also, do a summary about the album's critical reception. I do not want to read what the magazines X or Y think about the album.--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "The second studio album by The Kooks, Konk, was named after the recording studio where it was recorded and produced by Tony Hoffer. It was released on 14 April 2008." Reword to something like, "The Kooks released their second album, Konk, in April 2008. The record was named after the studio where it was recorded and produced by Tony Hoffer, who worked on the band's debut album, Inside In/Inside Out."--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Prior to releasing the album, in an interview with NME, lead singer Luke Pritchard had claimed to have 80-90 songs written for the album, stating, "I want this album to be big……I've got an ego, I want the album to do well. I want our singles to come on the radio and for people to literally have their heads blown off by them"." What is this quote? What it represents?--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• "RAK, a second part limited edition two disc version of Konk was also released. It contains nine extra tracks, including an alternative version of "See the Sun" and a demo track called entitled "Brooklyn"." Why RAK? Please, recreate the third paragraph.--Cannibaloki 19:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Will get started on this, --RavensFists (talk) 13:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm just waiting for the opinion of another reviewer. --Cannibaloki 23:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Whatever way this goes I'd just like to thank you for taking the time to review the article. Your detailed comments have helped this article incredibly, and I really appreciate the fact that you went in yourself and edited the page to help it. Either way your review has made this article ten times better.

With sincere thanks, --RavensFists (talk) 16:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome!--Cannibaloki 03:25, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

• In the sections Inside In/Inside Out (2006–2007) and Rafferty's departure and Konk (2008–present), there are descriptions of the musical style of the band. Please move these descriptions for the section Musical style and influences. Try a subsection entitled Critical reception.--Cannibaloki 03:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

• What is happening with The Kooks since mid-2008 onwards? Please update the section Rafferty's departure and Konk (2008–present).--Cannibaloki 03:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Will probably get around to solving these problems on the weekend, --RavensFists (talk) 20:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Also at this point have decided I'm just going to rewrite the entire Musical Styles/Influences section as if there's one thing holding this article back, it's that. Considering the rest of the article has undergone extensive changes, the Musical Styles/Influences has remained the same and doesn't really do The Kooks justice nor agree with the rest of the article's statements. --RavensFists (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

That's it! --Cannibaloki 22:33, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

• Genre-related bits: most everything that's in the lead should be cited in the article body, thus requiring no citations there. See WP:LEAD. Important facts: indie pop is an alternative rock subgenre, which in turn is a subgenre of rock music. Britpop is another alternative rock subgenre; despite what the article here says, it started in 1992-1993, not the 1960s. It's probably being confused with the British Invasion, or being used as shorthand to refer to "British pop bands", as it was until it became fixed as the aforementioned alt-rock subgenre. Also, Britpop is always capitalized. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)