Talk:The Mandalorian season 2

IMAX cameras/aspect ratio for 201

Here are a few sources at this time talking about the aspect ratio shift for the Krayt Dragon battle. Looper, Gadgets360, and a brief mention at io9. Hopefully more will pop up talking about that moment. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I would add this detail in the episode article, as it currently needs more info and sources.--TheVampire (talk) 23:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Sure, but a mention could also be made here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Episodes title

The rumored titles of The Mandalorian Season 2 were first reported by this tweet. The tweet says the first episode will be called "The Search" and it was wrong. Somehow Rotten Tomatoes added these false titles to their websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cw0323 (talk • contribs) 06:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm failing to see your proof that RT got the episode titles from this Tweet. As far as I can tell, RT never listed the first episode as The Search. -- /Alex/₂₁ 12:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

As you can see in this tweet, you can see those titles are the exact same RT has posted on their websites.(Chapter Two: The Confrontation, Chapter Three: The Bounty, Chapter Four: The Republic, Chapter Five: The Loyalist, Chapter Six: The Sorcerer, Chapter Seven: The Return, Chapter Eight: The Empire) And if the information was true, the first episodes should be named "The Search" but it wasn't and that proves the whole leak was a fake. Cw0323 (talk) 12:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Rotten Tomatoes (as an editorial site and review aggregator) is a reliable source. Until another reliable source comes out that either confirms or contradicts what we have, the info can stay. I will say, if the second episode title is not "The Confrontation", I would say we can revisit its inclusion. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the above based on the second episode title. As for Cw0323's assumption on where RT got their titles, I still see no proof that it was this tweet. Seems like WP:OR or WP:SYNTH to me, especially given that RT never listed the first episode as "The Search". -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

201 was not "The Confrontation" so, as it has been done, I agree with the removal of the next titles and RT as the source for them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

"Chapter 10: The Confrontation" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Chapter 10: The Confrontation. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 9#Chapter 10: The Confrontation until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 02:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Pascal gone?

According to several internet/online sites and sources, Pascal was 'fired' halfway through the filming of season 2 over creative differences concerning his character of The Mandalorian.

Has this topic been previously discussed?

If not, is there enough validity to the reports to include something here?

Or is there other info to contradict the firing?

Just curious. 2600:8800:785:2A00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 08:48, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Unfound rumor.--TheVampire (talk) 17:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Lateef Crowder

If you people seriously don't trust the end credits, he also confirmed on [Instagram] that he still doubles for the Mandalorian. 107.77.210.95 (talk) 23:33, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Chapter 9: The Marshal § Boba Fett

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Chapter 9: The Marshal § Boba Fett. -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

"Chapter 11: The Bounty" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Chapter 11: The Bounty. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 14#Chapter 11: The Bounty until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 20:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

This is the kind of discussion that normally results in the redirect being deleted before anyone has any time to comment, so I'm surprised it hasn't just been deleted already. -- 109.76.194.97 (talk) 15:19, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Plot summary Chapter 16

Plot summaries need to be short. The MOS:TVPLOT guidelines say they should be 200 or less in these kinds of Episode lists.

Plot sections should summarize what actually happens in the episode. Conversely plot summaries should not contain information not contained in that episode. Footnotes can be an appropriate way to add extra context, and that seems appropriate in episode articles but I don't know if that is appropriate in these kinds of Episode lists, where the guidelines strongly emphasize brevity.

Chapter 16 never mentions Tython, but Adamstom.97 keeps adding Tython back to the plot summary for Chapter 16.[1]. Adamstom previously removed one word of context to explain that the Dark Troopers are droids because it had already been mentioned in a previous edit summary,[2] but despite his own logic he keeps adding an explanation for Tython to Chapter 16 instead of improving the wording of Chapter 13 where it was first mentioned, or Chapter 14 when it actually happens. As Adamstom.97 said "there's no need to explain it twice".

At the end of Chapter 13 Ahsoka says "Go to the planet Tython." and "If he reaches out through the Force, there's a chance a Jedi may sense his presence and come searching for him."(If you don't have access to the episode you can check the subtitles online,[3] to refresh your memory but the exact wording shouldn't even be necessary.) The plot summary for Chapter 13 currently says "she directs them to an ancient temple on the planet Tython where Grogu can use the Force to find other Jedi and decide his own fate." Please improve the summary of Chapter 13 as needed instead of explaining it a second time in Chapter 16. -- 109.79.65.133 (talk) 01:05, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Also the guidelines say "Plot sections should summarize the core storyline(s)" which seems to suggest we should not mention mid credits sequences at all, as they are not part of the core storyline. -- 109.79.65.133 (talk) 01:05, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

There's no guidance on MOS:TVPLOT on how post credit scene should be handled in "Episode table" and "Episode list". What we do know is by correctly pointing this out, it is far from exceeding 200 words limit still. I actually used Microsoft Word to count it. By not mentioning this structurally or simply describing "later" is misleading. As far as I can count, it's 2 editors (you and @Adamstom.97:) against 2 editors (me and @Favre1fan93:). I am soliciting opinion from him who correctly used the internal post-credits scene and whom I publicly thanked. The status quo should be to mention post credit scene to match what's on the specific S2E8 page that not all readers will end up reading. I certainly read way less on it than the season 2 summary page. I am sure the silent majority are on my side who just won't participate in this discussion. Thanks. Supermann (talk) 18:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Consensus isn't a vote or a count to see who is "winning". Saying "Later" works just as fine. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Favre. OP, I removed the second droid explanation for Dark Troopers because we don't need to explain something twice within the one table. The Jedi is a very different situation. In the series, Ahsoka tells them to go to Tython in Chapter 13 and call for a Jedi, so that is what we say in the Chapter 13 summary. Grogu reaches out from the temple in Chapter 14, so we say that too. And in Chapter 16, a Jedi shows up to help them, and the previously on section directly calls back to those two earlier moments to make it clear where he has come from, so we do the same in our summary. I'm not sure why this is such an issue. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Supermann asserts that it somehow "correct" to include plot structure and explicitly state that it is in a post credits sequence and that it is not enough to describe only what happens. Other stuff exists, but can you show any guidelines to back up that assertion? It is not plot, it is plot structure, and I think it is poor writing style to break out of the story and include framing details or plot structure notes unless it absolutely cannot be avoided (sometimes you have no choice but to say a flashback is a flashback).

It is not necessary to mention the mid credits sequence at all. Supermann says there is no guidance but as I have already pointed out the MOS:TVPLOT guidelines say to only include core storylines. Is the mid credits sequence core storyline? It is a tiny part of the episode as a whole, we are probably giving it WP:UNDUE emphasis by including it all. I left it in good faith but I if was to strictly follow the rules I should probably have deleted the whole sentence. -- 109.79.66.241 (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

@Adamstrom you say mentioning Tython in Chapter 16 is a necessary call back. But Tython is never actually mentioned in Chapter 16 so I'm saying it is unnecessary duplication, and you previously object ed to duplication. It would be better to improve the edit summaries of the previous episodes to be clearer so that point does not need to made again in Chapter 16. It seems strange to use knowledge from outside of an episode to describe what is seen in the episode, say what you see.

I don't object to including other context about Luke instead, so long as it is based on what is can actually shown in Chapter 16. -- 109.79.66.241 (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know I would introduce a traitor here and i would like to claw back my public thank-you to Favre. I still object, because "later" simply isn't clear at all. How late are we talking about? There are some who take it to mean before the end credits. There are even some who don't consider that post-credit scene as part of the plot, but instead more like a teaser for the spinoff The Book of Boba Fett. Describing it clearly by referencing the "credit" will serve all readers fairly. It's important to understand Wikipedia:Consensus. I am linking it here so that others might chime in. Supermann (talk) 20:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

It'd be best for you to not include personal attacks in your comments Supermann. Talk on the content, not the creators. You've been warned on your talk. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Then let's talk on the content. You are good at citing stuff. What's wrong with my latest argument? Could you please elaborate and also teach me how to claw back my public thank you? I am ashamed of myself for having thought you are a like-minded comrade. But then you caved so easily. It's a stinging betrayal. No doubt. You are certainly deterring me with now 3 against 1, despite common sense. If you could do those things I hope you would do, I'll apologize. We are spending more time than necessary for five words that add clarity without sacrificing brevity. I don't know what this fuss is all about. Supermann (talk) 21:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I thought I extended an olive branch by making "later" into a piped link of post-credits scene. I was naive again. Tyranny! I dissent. I dissent! Supermann (talk) 22:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Since there was an ongoing dispute it would have been better if you discussed it first rather than making bold changes. If someone starts WP:3RR it is usually best not to edit the article again at all until the matter is resolved. (The rules don't state that explicitly though, maybe they should.) Is this really the best place for it? Can we inform readers in some other better way instead?

WP:EGG is a tricky one, I'll have to think about it, at first glance it looks like a reasonable compromise. If this was an episode article I might try and mention the mid credits scene using a Footnote (if it wasn't so unrelated to the main storyline) or as a Production detail. But in this case, an episode list, I think the guidelines are saying it should not be included at all.

Wikipedia WP:COMMONSENSE says "There is no common sense" and then there's WP:NOTTRUTH, the guidelines can seem a little contradictory at times. Ultimately I do I think we all want to make the article better, only we have slightly different ideas about what is better, simpler, clearer. I disagree with some of the specifics but I thank you all for taking the time and making an effort to discuss this. I think we can do better. -- 109.79.66.241 (talk) 00:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)