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Early life	3,371	12,757
Education	5,276	5,276
Naval history and strategy	2,911	2,911
First marriage and widowerhood	1,199	1,199
Early political career	27	5,920
State Assemblyman	2,827	2,827
Presidential election of 1884	3,066	3,066
Cattle rancher in Dakota	4,986	4,986
Second marriage	1,564	1,564
Reentering public life	1,565	8,607
Civil Service Commission	2,401	2,401
New York City Police Commissioner	4,641	4,641
Emergence as national figure	33	16,875
Assistant Secretary of the Navy	3,046	3,046
War in Cuba	5,391	5,391
Governor of New York	5,167	5,167
Vice presidency (1901)	3,238	3,238
Presidency (1901–1909)	3,228	42,704
Domestic policies: The Square Deal	66	13,794
Trust busting and regulation	2,735	2,735
Coal strike	852	852
Prosecuted misconduct	1,349	1,349
Railroads	871	871
Pure food and drugs	1,261	1,261
Conservation	4,113	4,113
Business panic of 1907	2,547	2,547
Foreign policy	87	12,637
Japan	3,716	3,716
China	651	651
Europe	1,836	1,836
Latin America and the Panama Canal	6,347	6,347
Media	3,117	3,117
Election of 1904	3,831	3,831
Second term	3,379	6,097
Rhetoric of righteousness	2,718	2,718
Post-presidency (1909–1919)	83	51,465
Election of 1908	2,718	2,718
Africa and Europe (1909–1910)	6,037	6,037
Republican Party schism	2,327	10,164
The dispute over court power	1,658	1,658
Roosevelt's "New Nationalism"	2,725	2,725
Battling Taft over arbitration treaties	3,454	3,454
Election of 1912	74	18,385
Republican primaries and convention	3,713	3,713
Roosevelt denounces the election	1,286	1,286
The Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party	5,491	5,491
Assassination attempt	5,988	5,988
Democratic victory	1,833	1,833
South American expedition (1913–1914)	4,567	4,567
Final years	1,946	9,511
World War I	2,546	2,546
League of Nations	3,667	3,667
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Death	2,225	2,225
Writer	5,307	5,307
Character and beliefs	1,643	10,950
Strenuous life	2,768	2,768
Warrior	3,670	3,670
Religion	2,869	2,869
Political positions	2,093	5,268
Foreign policy beliefs	3,175	3,175
Legacy	2,784	22,244
Persona and masculinity	5,569	5,569
Memorials and cultural depictions	11,908	11,908
Audiovisual media	1,983	1,983
See also	414	414
Notes	24	24
References	28	28
Sources	10,717	10,717
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Organizations	147	147
Libraries and collections	1,004	1,004
Media	547	547
Other	7,496	7,496
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Please split the Testi 1995 reference into two different references with page numbers.

The "a reference" can be found on page 1516 and 1517 of Testi, though it does not support him being on a camping trip, merely that he was "in a stagecoach that was taking him on vacation." Further, the Thayer 1919, p. 20 reference does not seem to have any relevant information about Roosevelt's boxing experience. Pages 32 and 33 of his autobiography says that he was en-route to Moosehead lake when he was attacked.

So I'd suggest changing that sentence to "After being manhandled by two older boys on the way to Moosehead Lake, he found a boxing coach to teach him how to fight and strengthen his body.^[1]^[2]"

As for the other Testi reference, I'd change the citation to ^[3], referring to quotes such as "Among foreign observers the perception of Roosevelt as a virile reformer was second only to the perception of him as a virile imperialist," though I couldn't find a perfect quote for him being the "exemplar of American masculinity" in Testi. GrapesRock (talk) 17:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Done Now that I've got auto-confirmed perms, I've enacted this change GrapesRock (talk) 03:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Roosevelt 1913, pp. 32–33.
^ Testi 1995, pp. 1516–1517.
^ Testi 1995, pp. 1513.

Awful

This is awful. And it's depressing that it took so many people to make it so. There is little to no connection between the Progressivism of the early 20th century and the progressives" of 21st century America. That's pure propaganda. Can't trust Wikipedia on anything remotely controversial. You failed because you were founded in libertarianism, which is like being founded by L. Ron Hubbard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.248.74.48 (talk) 19:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early widowerhood - suggest mention of 2 year hiatus

Within the section "First marriage and widowerhood", we have "After the deaths of his wife and mother, Roosevelt focused on his work, specifically by re-energizing a legislative investigation into corruption of the New York City government, which arose from a concurrent bill proposing that power be centralized in the mayor's office. For the rest of his life, he rarely spoke about his wife Alice and did not write about her in his autobiography."

Suggest 1. this widowerhood section is incomplete without reference to his sabbatical in the Badlands that began 5 months after his mother and Alice's deaths and 2. that we move this New York corruption language to Early Political Career: State Assemblyman section, with reference to this being his final term (session ended May 1884).

Suggest adding a brief reference to his 1884-1886 hiatus in the Dakota territory, and a link to "Cattle rancher in Dakota" (Theodore Roosevelt - Wikipedia) section. An important part of his widowerhood.

Suggested wording revision: "After the deaths of his wife and mother, Roosevelt finished out his term 1884 session with the New York State Assembly, and then spent the next two years trying his hand as a cattle rancher in the Dakota Territory (link to Theodore Roosevelt - Wikipedia). Pbculture (talk) 21:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Epilepsy

Per a request in the edit summary, I'm posting notice here of my removal of the 'People with epilepsy' category. There is no mention in this article of Roosevelt having epilepsy. While some sources (mostly Facebook) say he was epileptic, I haven't seen any that would be considered reliable. See WP:RSP#Facebook. —ADavidB 01:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"promoted policies to the left"

Needs citation and expansion 2603:6011:5905:28A7:250E:BFBB:A3B5:CD34 (talk) 04:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead section, which includes these words, is a summary of the whole article. This content is expanded and sourced in the presidency ʻSecond termʻ subsection. —ADavidB 22:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining what a lead section is!

"Roosevelt was elected to a full term in 1904 and promoted policies to the left, despite opposition from Republican leaders." is a vague, dubeous claim that needs clarification. Which policies exactly? Which Republican leaders were against such policies? 2603:6011:5905:28A7:250E:BFBB:A3B5:CD34 (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

dubious, my bad

2603:6011:5905:28A7:250E:BFBB:A3B5:CD34 (talk) 16:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The cited source is available online and linked from the article, with page 2 specifically identified. I accessed the source and its second page does not support this information. Iʻm not ready to declare the whole book does not, but a quick search did not find it. For now at least, I added a ʻfailed verificationʻ notice. Other editors are welcome to take further action. —ADavidB 19:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It still reads "Roosevelt was elected to a full term in 1904 and promoted policies to the left, despite opposition from Republican leaders." without any failed verification notice. This is a wildly dubious claim. Theodore was a progressive Republican. The current wording implies that he was on the Political Left, which he wasn't. 2603:6011:5905:28A7:88D3:4ED2:58DB:4448 (talk) 02:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's gone now. —ADavidB 10:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ty ty 2603:6011:5905:28A7:88D3:4ED2:58DB:4448 (talk) 17:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[FOOTNOTERoosevelt191332–33-1] Roosevelt 1913, pp. 32–33.

[FOOTNOTETesti19951516–1517-2] Testi 1995, pp. 1516–1517.

[FOOTNOTETesti19951513-3] Testi 1995, pp. 1513.

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