Talk:Transgender history in the United States

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Sexual orientation as a nationality?

The title of this article and the one for Lesbian American history absolutely must be changed. The wording of the title in this fashion makes it appear like a nationality akin to African American, Irish American, etc. The wording of the title also is a violation of article naming policy here. Laval (talk) 21:17, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Rename

This article needs to be renamed to "History of the Transgender Community in the United States". It's more respectful and the "ism" ending makes it sound like a doctrine, dogma, or ideology, which it's not.

Can someone teach me how to rename articles on Wikipedia? Tenor12 (talk) 04:08, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Restructuring

I'm interested in restructuring the article to improve its readability and usability by adding section headers. In addition, the article is quite long and I'd like to propose a split (see below) by spawning all the voluminous legal content into a new article.

New section headers

In the first aspect of this, I've been trying to improve the article by a adding subsection headers to some of the very long sections in the chronologically organized first half of the article.

In particular, for those sections having decade titles like: "1950s and 1960s", "1970s and 1980s" and so on I've added 3 to 6 level three headers. This necessarily means that some of the same themes turn up repeatedly in subsection header names, such as "Visibility and awareness", "Activism and politics", "Legal aspects", and so on. That is, you might have a subsection named 'Activism and politics' in both the "1950s and 1960s" as well as in the "1970s and 1980s" section.

Overall org: by chrono or theme?

Additionally, the fact of adding themed subsection names to the decade-named sections in the chronological part of the article, is making it easier to see that there is a basic confusion in the organization of the article as a whole as it stands now (and possibly some duplication as well). The first part of the article is organized chronologically, and then by theme within time chunk, whereas the second part of the article is organized by theme, and then by time within theme. Probably we will have to settle on one or the other of these organizations, otherwise it will never become clear in where a new addition to the article should go.

Since a history book is usually organized broadly chronologically, with headings within chapters breaking periods down into individual themes that may repeat from one chapter to another with the march of time, that would be my preference here. One might argue that a WP article is shorter than a history book and so the other view would be preferable, but I'd prefer to see it broadly chronological if it is labeled 'History of..."

If we organize chronologically, then the text in the current sections on Education, Employment, Health, Housing, and so on in the second half of the article should be broken out and merged into the chronological portion at the top. In fact, much of the content of these sections are about legal cases, and the chronological portion also has a fair amount of legal content, which lends itself well to a #Split proposal. Mathglot (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I've added some new section headings to the article as it stands now in order to better indicate the organization which seems to have evolved here. Hopefully, this will make it easier to navigate the information. Since it is a very long article, overly long sections could eventually be broken out as Mathglot proposed. ABF99 (talk) 17:12, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Since the way I did this previously had left some sections blank, I've made subsections smaller to better clarify the organization of the article. ABF99 (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Split proposal

The article is already 158,000 bytes, and it occurs to me that a good candidate for a split is to take all the text about legal cases (of which there is plenty in both the chronological, and themed portions of the article; see #Restructuring above) and move it off into Legal aspects of Transgender history in the United States or U.S. Transgender legal history or some such.

Here in the main article we could summarize the major developments and use {{Main}} or {{See}} templates to point to subsections of the spawned history article. If no one has an objection after a decent interval, I may attempt the split. Mathglot (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

At 192,000 bytes, this is now overdue, and I plan to start on this. Collaborators welcome. Mathglot (talk) 00:41, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mathglot: How about Transgender legal history in the United States? Kaldari (talk) 06:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kaldari: That is a much better name, and thanks for the reminder, my plate has been overfull lately, but I should give this a shot. Mathglot (talk) 06:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Now underway... Main article now 123kb, new article 68kb at this point. Have added {{in use}} templates to both, as a lot of refactoring/re-org required to smooth out the rough edges after such a big split. I'll remove the templates shortly, but there will still be plenty left to do to refactor them. In particular, everything legal/regulatory was stripped from the original article to move to the new one, but in fact, the original article should now summarize the contents of the second, rather than say nothing at all about legal issues which after all are part of TG History in the U.S. So if you'd like to jump in and have a go, please do; just, if you don't mind, do a one-line edit to add {{in use}} and save it, just before you start in on it, so I don't hit an {{edit conflict}} trying to duplicate your work, and I'll do the same. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 07:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay, done for tonight. I've removed {{in use}} to free it up for editing again. Plenty more work to do to clean up following the split; in particular, the new article needs a lead and a look at bottom matter and some in-links from other articles, and the original needs refactoring to rationalize the section structure, and to better summarize some of the legal material removed to the new article. Mathglot (talk) 09:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Good source for period news items

This web page is a hub with many links to old newspaper articles; here's their 1970 page with a couple dozen links on it: transascity.org 1970 tg news. Mathglot (talk) 06:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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• Transgender Day of Remembrance Memorial.jpg

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Orphaned references in History of transgender people in the United States

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of History of transgender people in the United States's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "CastStaff":

• From Pose (TV series): Andreeva, Nellie (October 25, 2017). "FX's Pose: Ryan Murphy Sets Largest Transgender Cast Ever For Scripted Series". Deadline Hollywood. Retrieved November 16, 2017.
• From Dominique Jackson (model): Andreeva, Nellie (October 25, 2017). "FX's 'Pose': Ryan Murphy Sets Largest Transgender Cast Ever For Scripted Series". Deadline Hollywood. Los Angeles, California: Penske Media Corporation. Retrieved November 16, 2017.
• From Indya Moore: Andreeva, Nellie (October 25, 2017). "FX's 'Pose': Ryan Murphy Sets Largest Transgender Cast Ever For Scripted Series". Deadline Hollywood. Los Angeles, California: Penske Media Corporation. Retrieved November 16, 2017.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 11:01, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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