Talk:UFC on ESPN: Eye vs. Calvillo

@Cassiopeia: Hi. These two pages are just confusing UFC_Fight_Night_172 and UFN_176. Can they be merged or removed redirect here? If possible, or what do you think? Roberthealien (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roberthealien, Good day, I have replied you on UFN 176 talk page. There is a proposal on UFC events and known as at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts if you want to join. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:12, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cassiopeia: I saw your reply and I respect your opinions and work. Just trying to help to get things moving here. Roberthealien (talk) 09:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with UFC Fight Night: Eye vs. Calvillo

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This merge tag was created by a WP:SOCK. UFN 176 has already been redirected to List of UFC events and the merge won't take place as per the event naming conventions discussed in discussion on MMA project talk page. Ticelon (talk) 13:51, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, why so quick instead of waiting, they decided create page.. Requesting UFN 176 to be merge into UFC Fight Night: Eye vs. Calvillo to removes obvious confusion. Regice2020 (talk) 03:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Regice2020: That's right Regice, but this sort of thing can easily be avoided by ensuring the correct use of naming conventions going forward. I hope you understand a bit better now. — 29cwcst (talk) 23:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

UFN 176 was most likely created because the original article is being used as a duplicate for a different event. As I mentioned on another discussion: UFN 176 can be merged with UFC Fight Night: Eye vs. Calvillo, but that's because we were using 176 as its number, but considering the discussion on MMA project talk page, we should redirect it (UFN 176) to UFC Fight Night 176 and keep the latter as a redirect for the List of UFC events page until the main event and date are confirmed; UFC Fight Night 172 should be the correct number for this Fight Night event. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gsfelipe94: I get that you're factoring in the MMA project talk page discussion, but I don't know about using UFN 176 as a future redirect to UFC Fight Night 176, as the latter would eventually become a redirect as well. What you mentioned about UFC Fight Night 172 being the correct number is true though. I would personally merge the former and delete the latter. — 29cwcst (talk) 00:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@29cwcst: Yup this page "UFN 176" was created "quickly without wait" by them around obvious unresolved issue with another article. The only logical action for this page is to merge without leaving redirect. As this page was created prematurely. WP:NOTJUSTYET Regice2020 (talk) 17:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It does make sense to delete UFN 176 as it would be a duplicate of a redirect page. I'm on board with that. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 02:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gsfelipe94: GOOD! :) — 29cwcst (talk) 23:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - merged with UFC Fight Night: Eye vs. Calvillo removed as editor is a SOCK - see [1]. Cassiopeia^(talk) 04:28, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Change title to UFC on ESPN: Eye vs. Calvillo

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The discussion resulted in a consensus, thus the renaming of the article to reflect correct broadcasting channel/service will take place. Ticelon (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This event was originally expected to be broadcast on ESPN+ but they announced a couple days later that ESPN would also host it. What do you guys think of changing the title to "UFC on ESPN: Eye vs. Calvillo"? There is a closed discussion on MMA project talk page related to the issue with numbering Fight Night events. In the example by the author of the discussion, he used a future June 27 date as an example for a Fight Night event on ESPN+, but apparently that will be a ESPN card as well. I presume we will still name ESPN cards as "on ESPN", but I'd like to hear other opinions here. We can't mix them up with the ESPN+ events. If we call everything as Fight Night, the previous events should have their names changed for the sake of consistency. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Also, the numerations should be updated for these fights:

June 13, 2020 — UFC on ESPN 10 → UFC on ESPN: Eye vs. Calvillo
June 20, 2020 — UFC Fight Night 172 — (UFC on ESPN+ 30) → UFC Fight Night: Blaydes vs. Volkov
June 27, 2020 — UFC Fight Night 173 — (UFC on ESPN+ 31) → UFC Fight Night: Poirier vs. Hooker

Thanks. --Discographer (talk) 10:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*~~Oppose~~ - We were facing so much problems and mess due to changing of article names and merging prior the proposal, to do round robin name change each time is not a advisable as it cause more confusion and mess. Unanimous consensus as per proposal list in UFC Fight Night articles|UFC Fight Night articles which we can not change as we see fit when the UFC/ESPN change from ESPN to ESPN+ or ESPN+ to ESPN. I would prefer the history event numbering but we can NOT go against the consensus agreement here. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This isn't going against consensus, it's a correctional update to Eye vs. Calvillo. These two fights ››

May 16, 2020 — UFC on ESPN 08 → UFC on ESPN: Overeem vs. Harris
May 30, 2020 — UFC on ESPN 09 → UFC on ESPN: Woodley vs. Burns

›› are also UFC on ESPN fights. The proposal on consensus was for UFC Fight Night — (UFC on ESPN+) fights.

Eye vs. Calvillo was originally changed from that to a UFC on ESPN fight.

Also, please see here. --Discographer (talk) 11:38, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Discographer as per the consensus agreement which you have listed out the event names that should be we go with. I noticed it when I saw the first time and know even I prefer the the historical name that set up, we can NOT go against what is agreed especially it is a consensus agreement that will not only defeat the purpose reason of a proposal but it betrays the editor who voted the proposal and against the Wikipedia proposing/closing guidelines. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 11:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cassiopeia this fight was an error in the consensus proposal, so Eye vs. Calvillo needs updated to be corrected. This also effects the numerations for the June 20 and June 27 fights which are relatively minor. So, in general, this has absolutely nothing to do with going against consensus, as it's merely a correction. Thanks. --Discographer (talk) 12:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discographer said it all. The consensus was not related to naming everything that is not PPV a Fight Night. It was related to correcting the order of events based on the previous cancellations.

This is UFC on ESPN 10. I'm not sure why anyone is even debating it. Wikipedia bases its info off outside sources, not what its editors want. Multiple sources (mmajunkie.com sherdog.com mmamania.com for example) now have this listed as UFC on ESPN 10. Even Draft Kings does. The card prior to UFC 250 was UFC on ESPN: Woodley vs. Burns (also known as UFC on ESPN 9). This is now UFC on ESPN: Calvillo vs. Eye (also known as UFC on ESPN 10). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.121.234.62 (talk) 23:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Ok I saw your reasoning in few of the talk page. Let do this then. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:34, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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