Talk:Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha

Confirmed dead by club

The BBC is leading the 10pm bulletin with the news that Leicester has confirmed he is dead (they confirmed it minutes before the news). Here's an RS:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/28/leicester-city-owner-dead-helicopter-crash-vichai-srivaddhanaprabha--Cameron Scott (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Official statement by club Sam10rc (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

•  Done Article updated, and I've dropped the protection to semi. Black Kite (talk) 22:07, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018

Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha (Thai: วิชัย ศรีวัฒนประภา; RTGS: Wichai Siwatthanaprapha), born Vichai Raksriaksorn (Thai: วิชัย รักศรีอักษร; RTGS: Wichai Raksi-akson) (born 4 April 1958 - died 27 October 2018), is a Thai billionaire businessman, founder, owner and chairman of King Power Duty Free. He has been the owner of Premier League football club Leicester City since 2010 until his death following a helicopter crash when he was leaving the King Power Stadium after his team drew to West Ham. 83.44.211.198 (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

• Already done. See the article. Black Kite (talk) 22:07, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018

Hi my Global account is Tris T7. and I would like to add IPA for khun Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha so please allow me to add IPA or anyone could kind support here is the IPA: /Vichai/ /Srivaddhanaprabha/ and also I have got more information for his biography to add please let me know how to process it. Thank you. Tris T7 (talk) 22:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Not sure. Hi Tris T7! It doesn't look like the suggestion you put matches the pronunciation symbols at Help:IPA. Unfortunately, I can't help too much as I don't know the correct pronunciation (many news reporters have used many different pronunciations). You should now find you are able to edit the article, so please feel free to add any further information you have, but please ensure you add reliable sources through citations or your edits may be reverted. Of course, you're welcome to add information here on the talk page and other editors will be happy to help. MIDI (talk) 22:53, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2018

The subject, of this Wikipedia entry, died on Saturday 27th October 2018. Not Sunday 28th October 2018. 80.189.255.66 (talk) 22:36, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Already done Article already states 27 Oct. MIDI (talk) 22:47, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Given name/surname on subsequent mentions

Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Country-specific usage (MOS:GIVENNAME), the given name should normally be used when making subsequent mentions of Thai people. Exceptions may be made for people chiefly notable in a foreign context, but I doubt the subject's ownership of Leicester City outweighs his business in Thailand. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

It is not obvious, to those of us unfamiliar with Thai names, what change you are suggesting. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 23:31, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

To follow the MOS, the article would use the given name Vichai instead of the surname Srivaddhanaprabha when mentioning the subject. The Career section would thus begin, "Vichai was the founder and CEO of King Power Duty Free..." See coverage by the Guardian[1] and the New York Times[2] for example. The BBC doesn't do this, though. Perhaps it regards him as more of a local figure. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:47, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Not clear cut to me. The MOS says they're often referred to by first name. But Thai name suggest that Thai people use surnames (rather than patronymic name (which is when we use first names generally). I'll drop a note on WikiProject Thailand to ask for guidance. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:43, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Reliable sources tend to use first names due to the impractical length of Thai surnames. With very common names you can use a title or position, e.g. junta leader Prayuth.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 17:03, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Farang Rak Tham, I've changed his name in the article to Vichai. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:29, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Date of birth is wrong

According to the 2014 Annual Return of Leicester City Football Club Limited, he was born 5-Jun-1958, not 4-Apr-1958. See https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04593477/filing-history

Done. (FYI, User:James07Dec) --Paul_012 (talk) 13:48, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

This has been changed back by an IP editor and Refsworldlee. This seems problematic. The Guardian is the only major British paper giving a DOB in its obituary, the others are mostly tabloids. They list 4 April 1958. But Thailand's The Nation gives 5 June.[3] So do all major Thai sources,[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] with the exception of Banmuang[12] and Siam Sport.[13] I'd take all of these with a grain of salt, though, as this is exactly the kind of detailed information that a lazy journalist might copy from Wikipedia. I'll remove the date amend the article to note the fact for the time being. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm even inclined to agree with you on this. My edit was primarily to even up the discrepancies which existed between the date in the body of text and the other date in the infobox (that glaring difference couldn't continue, it was a mockery), but was only changed to April 4 1958 after looking at the majority of English references and obituaries. I also agree that Companies House gives June 1958, as do most Thai language refs and his Wikipedia article there. However, the many other foreign language Wikipedia articles seem as split as we are about the true birthdate. I will desist from editing this article, I think. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 07:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Pinging Black Kite and Ministerboy. --Paul_012 (talk) 00:29, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I trust he born on 5-Jun-1958 and I don't understand why foreign newspaper was a reliable source than Thai Newspaper with Thai people Thai citizen (ask Black Kite). I add a many source that confirm his birth date on 5 June 1958 such as Thai Rath (Thailand Best seller newspaper) or Khaosod (Thailand best online newsper).Ministerboy (talk) 00:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

There's also plenty of reporting of his birthday being celebrated on 4 April, though. Which doesn't quite add up (unless one is the Queen). I'd venture a guess that 4 April might be the actual DOB celebrated by him and family, while 5 June is probably the official registered date, which is why it's entered in company documents. It's not uncommon for someone born back then to have inaccurate dates logged in their birth registry. This is just speculation, though. --Paul_012 (talk) 01:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

(Pinging @Tris T7:): I've just undone the removal of one of the dates on the article. I'm not commenting on which date is correct, but it seems appropriate that any changes like this—given the existence of this discussion—should be brought here first. MIDI (talk) 15:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

The Leicester City Football Club website lists Vichai's date of birth as 4 April. See https://www.lcfc.com/news/656114/lcfc-chairman-to-celebrate-birthday-by-giving-away-60-free-season-tickets/press-release "The Chairman’s birthday is on Wednesday 4 April” What are your thoughts?James07Dec (talk) 20:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

The press release would fall under the above observation that his birthday is celebrated on 4 April. I think it's quite clear now that 4 April is the date on which he celebrates his birthday, while 5 June is the legally registered date. Since we don't have sources mentioning this explicitly, and neither of them is right or wrong, I think we should just continue to mention both dates. --Paul_012 (talk) 02:20, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2018

change secheduled to scheduled 73.15.1.144 (talk) 05:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done Joseph2302 (talk) 07:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)