Talk:White Bear (Black Mirror)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cognissonance (talk · contribs) 10:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Will rewatch episode tonight, and begin assessment thereafter. Cognissonance (talk) 10:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

5 May notes

Lead

"removing some details that might be useful for a sequel story" – A tad WP:POV. Suggestion: "removing some details considered useful for a sequel story".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"where a plot twist was added, which was noted as the most impressive aspect of the episode by most reviewers" – Avoid repetition of "was" and "most" to improve flow:
"where a plot twist was added, noted as the most impressive aspect of the episode by reviewers".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"primarily the 1960s Moors murders, when five children were killed" – Refer to the case, not the time period: "primarily the 1960s Moors murders, where five children were killed".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"and what is reality" – Improve prose: "and the nature of reality".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

"The forest is a facade" – This is pretty out of the blue. The paragraph would start off best with "Walls open to reveal an audience".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Baxter appears and explains everything" – Replace "everything" with "the facade". (Only now does the word "facade" feel appropriate, after the secondary characters were revealed as actors.)
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"the girl in the photo is actually" – Replace "actually" with "in fact" to describe the story beat with more formality.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"feel the same feelings of terror and helplessness that the victim had" – End with "that the victim had felt" to resolve the sentence.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Production

Clarify Brooker's role with title and full name.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"featuring the same woman who was to be a journalist" – Emphasis: "featuring the same woman, but as a journalist".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
;— – Pick one.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Brooker does not specify if it is the main character who dies" – Insert past tense to conform with the rest of the section.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"where he saw a fence that he came up with it. He said: "I saw the housing, a gas station, and I saw this fence running around outside the place. I was like, 'That's interesting, there's a fence. A fence. A fence!' And the twist suddenly occurred to me." – The quotation is redundant. It contains the same information as the prose that precedes it.
- Removed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Safe to say there's no need to put "dramatically" in quotes.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 5 only needs to be cited once. It covers everything before Ref. 4.
- Removed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"a photo spread over social media had unlocked this primal urge for people to be voyeurs of agony" – Convert into prose.
- Partially converted. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Gabriel Yuji: Cognissonance (talk) 21:21, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

6 May notes

Cultural references

"The influence of horror works was also highlighted by critics and Brooker himself" – Drop the "also". Then it works as a matter-of-fact lead-up to the rest of the paragraph.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 7 is cited twice in succession. Remove the first one.
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"it's part zombie movie, part slasher film and even has that unsettling Wicker Man feel with its notion of 'society gone wrong'" – Convert into prose.
- Partially converted. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There are too many cases of "commented it". Mix it up.
- Changed some. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"easily the most Twilight Zone-y episode of the show yet" – Convert into prose.
- Partially converted. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"could have easily been a classic episode of The Twilight Zone" – Convert into prose.
- Totally converted. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Themes

Convert as many long quotations as possible into prose.

I'll handle it as soon as possible. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Too much "Author of X" here. Vary with "Writing for X, Author" or "X's Author".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"More specifically, argued some of TheWrap's staff members and Page, it deals with" – Add the word "that" before "it".
- I think it's right. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Joyner considered these parallels to be central to its critique.[2]" – Ref. 2 is cited in the next sentence. Remove this one.
- I've kept it for clarity. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"turned us into passive consumers".[2]" – Here as well.
- I've kept it for clarity. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Jeffery and Parker affirmed it contains the ideia that people are preferring to document live rather than living it" – Fix grammar: "Jeffery and Parker affirmed it contains the idea that people are preferring to document life rather than living it".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Vary also the verbiage. Instead of "commented" and "affirmed", perhaps use "observed" or "wrote".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Critics considered Crichlow's character suffering was repeated to make viewers sympathise with her" – This confused me right away. Suggestion: "The repeated suffering of Crichlow's character was considered by critics to make viewers sympathise with her".
- 7&6=thirteen reworded it ([1]). Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Further rewarded as "Critics considered Crichlow's character's repeated suffering to be a plot device to ~~invoke~~ evoke sympathy" 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

As above, so below. Convert as many long quotations as possible into prose, so as not to oversaturate the sections with them.

I'll handle it as soon as possible. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Sancto deemed it the best episode among the first seven first" – "first seven first"?
- Fixed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In the second paragraph, Ref. 27 is cited three times in a row. You only need the last one.
- Removed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
At the start of the fourth paragraph, state Middleton's full name with wikilink.
- She is already wikilinked in prose (at "Plot"), so per WP:OVERLINK, I think I shouldn't. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 31 needs to be removed after "instant emotional tug of the series opener".
- Removed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"she had lost hope of its concluding well" – Clarify: "she had lost hope that it would conclude effectively".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"He was positive to its societal critic" – Correct: "He was positive to its societal criticism".
- Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

Add parameters first=James|last=Hibberd to Ref. 16.
- Fixed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Add parameter website=Collider.com to Ref. 18.
- Fixed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Replace parameter author=Jane Simon with first=Jane|last=Simon in Ref. 31.
- Fixed. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Well-done article with need for adjustment.
Pass/Fail:
@Gabriel Yuji: Cognissonance (talk) 16:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My responses are above, Cognissonance. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Gabriel Yuji: Checks out. Let me know when you've paraphrased the quotes. Cognissonance (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cognissonance: Paraphrased some. Note sure if it's enough, though. Tell me what you think. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Gabriel Yuji: That works. I compared the use of quotations to another episode article and it's not unheard of to have many of them, as long as some opinions are paraphrased. In any case, it's good to go. Cognissonance (talk) 09:59, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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