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Connection between Youth Aliyah and Kindertransport

While this article is very informative, concise and effective in describing movements of children from Germany to Palestine before World War II, it could use some expansion and elaboration regarding a few different matters.

First of all, it is apparent that the references used in this article are primarily literature from Youth Aliyah itself rather than external scholarly works. For example, out of the sources for the section "History," three are from the Jewish Agency-Youth Aliyah Bulletin from January 1987, and another is a broken link about the 70th anniversary of Youth Aliyah. Only one source, the Encyclopedia article about Recha Freier, qualifies as an independent source. Therefore, I could contribute to the depth of this article by adding information from Marion Kaplan's book Between Dignity and Despair: Jewish Life in Nazi Germany.

Specifically, even within the format of an encyclopedia article it would be useful to explain the experiences of the children who moved to Palestine and their families. For instance, Kaplan supplies the information that Youth Aliyah required a quota of sixty percent boys and forty percent girls in order that the farms on the kibbutzim could be properly worked (117). Kaplan also cites a number of anecdotes that illustrate the difficulties of children coming to Palestine on their own and with their families coping with their separation.

Finally, although it is clear that Kindertransport refers only to the organized movements of Jewish children to the UK, this article would benefit from making the connection that Youth Aliyah and Kindertransport were variations on the same phenomenon, by which Jewish communities tried to save Jewish children from Nazi rule. The fourth chapter of Kaplan's book lays this out comprehensively, and so readers of the Youth Aliyah article would appreciate an understanding that Jewish children were going to other places besides Palestine.

If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page. I am open to discuss these issues in order to contribute to the best possible version of this article.

Haileyrosen (talk) 01:18, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Haileyrosen, I'm not entirely sure that this would fit with the article per se, as this could be seen as original research. By this I mean that while the two organizations are very, very similar, they aren't the same organization and unless they had dealings with one another, there's no real justification to mentioning them in this page other than a link in the "see also" page and a one or two sentence mention in the article's lead that there were other, similar organizations. A compare and contrast is something that would be more in an essay or journal article than a Wikipedia article, at least this specific Wikipedia article. Now that said, what I do suggest is shifting the focus from this article to the Children in the Holocaust article, where a section that discusses both Kindertransport and Youth Aliyah would fit extremely well. I'll ping your professor Chapmansh so she can see the suggestion. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:52, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the feedback. I have realized that it would not be ideal to incorporate the personal anecdotes which Kaplan shares (since they would be out of place in an encyclopedia article), and also that references to Kindertransport should be simple and factual in order to avoid original research. I will incorporate the relevant aspects of Kaplan's writing about Youth Aliyah to this article, and I will consider working on the Children in the Holocaust article as well. Haileyrosen (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think Haileyrosen had in mind only 1-2 sentences connecting Youth Aliyah to Kindertransport. And I do think that's an excellent idea - adding both movements to the Children in the Holocaust article. Thanks Shalor (Wiki Ed)! Chapmansh (talk) 20:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Additions to Article

Dear Wikipedia Contributors,

This article offers a great deal of information regarding the Youth Aliyah program, but I feel that further additions to the page will bolster the content to create a well-rounded article that provides more historical context. The article at hand delves deep into the creation of the program but misses the role of Great Britain and the global ramifications felt by the Arab population of Isreal. I plan on adding the history of England's support and eventual lack of support of the program to illuminate the global politics of the program as well as the forces that caused England to withdraw support. The English involvement and Arab resistance to the program cost thousands of children their lives and caused the program to fail its ultimate goal. Understanding the historical context of the Youth Alyiah program is necessary to appreciate and understand the full history of the program as a lackluster means of Jewish immigration on the eve of the holocaust.

To support my new additions, I intend to employ a chapter from Dvora Hacohen's Middle Eastern Studies titled "Immigration Policy to Palestine in the 1930s: Implications for Youth Aliyah".^[1] The chapter is a strong secondary recourse that efficiently and adequately covers the brief history of Youth Aliyah as an immigration program as well as England's involvement.

There is little to remove from the article. However, further additions will only enhance the information!

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^ Francis, Dvora (Oct, 2001). Middle Easter Studies (Vol. 37 ed.). Taylor & Francis, Ltd. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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[1] Francis, Dvora (Oct, 2001). Middle Easter Studies (Vol. 37 ed.). Taylor & Francis, Ltd. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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