Template:Did you know nominations/Badr Shirvani

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Badr Shirvani

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~~... that Badr Shirvani, a Persian poet from Shirvan (present-day Republic of Azerbaijan), received patronage from numerous rulers?~~
- ALT1:... that Badr Shirvani, a Persian poet from Shirvan (present-day Republic of Azerbaijan), compared himself to the earlier Persian poet Khaqani?
- ALT2:... that Badr Shirvani, a Persian poet from Shirvan (present-day Republic of Azerbaijan), spent most of his career at the court of the Shirvanshahs?

Reviewed: Puss in Boots (Shrek)

Created by LouisAragon (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 19 July 2018 (UTC).

Interesting, on a good source, most of which I can't see, but accepted AGF (and I looked up that the author seems a authority in the field, - how about an article about him?). I confess that the hooks leave me rather cold. Link Persian to the people? Perhaps better link to Persian poetry. Why "present-day", at all and if, why with a link to a current country? I'd be more interested in him writing praise of his rulers, than just spending time there (ALT2). A comparison isn't too effective when the other is unknown (ALT1). Please try, or I approve the first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt:, nice to see you again! Thanks for reviewing another DYK of mine:

"Link Persian to the people? Perhaps better link to Persian poetry."

The source (a specialist one at that) makes it clear that he was ethnically Persian.

"Why "present-day", at all and if, why with a link to a current country?"

You see, the area that constitutes the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan, was an integral part of Iran/Persia, until recent history, when the Russians annexed it and authorized the creation of an unsubstantiated/fake "Turkic nation identity", in order to severe ties with Iran. Hence, "present-day" is really important in this regard, because the country known as "Azerbaijan" is a recent creation (1918 / 1991), and never existed before that. The historic, i.e. actual "Azerbaijan", lays to the south of the Azerbaijan Republic, and has always been a province within Iran; it has existed since antiquity. The present-day Republic of Azerbaijan was historically known as Shirvan in the Islamic age, and as Arran before that.
Anyways, perhaps you were already aware of some of this, as its well-established in academia, but its one of the reasons why I decided to write these specific hooks. One can compare all this to the soap series surrounding the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Macedonia (Greece). Same story. Similar to the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, where the regime does everything it can to lay claim on historic Greek figures that roamed in that area, such as Alexander the Great whom they dub as a "Macedonian Slav", the regime of the Republic of Azerbaijan does everything it can to claim Iran's millenia old history within that area as "Azeri Turkic". Including historic Persian writers/figures. Leaving out "present-day" or linking "Persian" to "Persian poetry" would be a violation of WP:RS and a favor to irredentist bogus. You can take a look at similar articles about Persian figures born outside what is present-day Iran, i.e. Nizami Ganjavi, etc.

- LouisAragon (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Regarding hook choice; sure, lets take the first one. Its the most "comfy" one, best suited for a small article like this IMO. I'll strike the other ones. Oh and regarding the author, yeah, perhaps I'll make an article about him someday. ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. We still don't link current countries. How is this:

ALT3: ... that Badr Shirvani, a Persian poet from Shirvan in the present-day Republic of Azerbaijan received patronage from numerous rulers? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Re-added two important words, but left out the link. Sure, its good to go. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:04, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Not sure about "in Republic" vs. "in the Republic". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. Thanks. Just fixed it. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:38, 23 July 2018 (UTC)