Template:Did you know nominations/Exoglossum laurae
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Gatoclass (talk) 11:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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Exoglossum laurae
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- ... that the jaw of the Exoglossum laurae (pictured) is partially exposed because it is missing much of its lower lip?
- Exoglossum laurae – Spirit of Eagle (give) (tag) – View nom subpage
Created by Spirit of Eagle (talk). Self nominated at 01:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC).
Created 20 June, nominated 22 June, so meets the 7 day rule. Readable prose size of 1841 B (315 words), exceeding the 1500B minimum. Neutrally-written, and all key points referenced. The hook fact is well-written, interesting and within guidelines.
However, I do have a query about the hook fact. The source cited for that point is Stream Fishes of Ohio Field Guide, the only offline source of the 4 cited. So I went looking for alternative sources, and that the Ohio Division of Wildlife (publishers of the offline source) have a webpage for the Western Tonguetied Minnow, a subspecies found only in Ohio.
That source notes that the center of the lower jaw projects forward as a bony sheath without fleshy lips, which as asserted in the hook. However, that page is only about the Western tonguetied minnow; it dies not say whether this feature is shared with other populations of the species. Please can the nominator confirm whether there is any source which clarifies this point? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. Here’s a source from Virginia Tech [1] that also backs up the DYK claim. If this doesn't work, I can always edit the article and hook to refer to more specifically refer to the Western tongue-tied minnow. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 12:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Spirit of Eagle. I think that rather than narrowing the article's scope, it's best to use the Virginia Tech ref. That ref does support the current text and the proposed hook. If you want to implement that, please ping me when it's done. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I've updated the article with the source I found earlier today. The claim about the tonguetied minnow's jaw is now cited with the Virginia Tech source instead of the Division of Wildlife source. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the fix, Spirit of Eagle. The only outstanding problem has been resolved, so this is now good to go. Well done! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- I don't see the part about the mouth being exposed due to lack of skin in footnote 3, the cite given. Yoninah (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- The fact I cited can be found in the fourth bullet point under the "Physical Description" section of the source I cited. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 21:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I must be missing something. How does the sentence correlate to the source?
- Your sentence: The mouth is only partially covered with skin, leaving part of its jaw exposed.
- Fourth bullet point under Physical Description: Bumpy, almost triangular upper lip, lower jaw has no lip
- Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Here is a source similar to my original book source making the same claim about the jaw [2] as well as a source by an environmental scientist which should confirm that this is a trait shared by all tonguetied minnows, not just the Ohioan sub-species [3]. If I add these sources to the specific fact in the article, will it address your concerns? Spirit of Eagle (talk) 22:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, the first source is fine. I think the problem is that you're saying "skin" rather than "lip". None of these sources talk about skin. Yoninah (talk) 22:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
- I've added the first source into the article and edited the hook to refer to the lower lip instead of the mouth skin. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
- Here is a source similar to my original book source making the same claim about the jaw [2] as well as a source by an environmental scientist which should confirm that this is a trait shared by all tonguetied minnows, not just the Ohioan sub-species [3]. If I add these sources to the specific fact in the article, will it address your concerns? Spirit of Eagle (talk) 22:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
