Template:Did you know nominations/Hadatha
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Fuebaey (talk) 13:10, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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Hadatha
[edit]... that French explorer Victor Guérin visited the now de-populated Palestinian Arab village of Hadatha, near Tiberias, in 1875?
5x expanded by Huldra (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 19:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC).
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The nomination is nine days after start of expansion, 20 November 2014. This is two days late, but I wonder if there is an exception in this case. If not, then this nomination can be rejected. --George Ho (talk) 08:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but according to Wikipedia:Did you know/Not exactly: "P1: If your article was created or expanded after the oldest date listed in Template talk:Did you know#Older nominations, it may still be approved. So you have at least seven days, but probably a few more." And Template_talk:Did_you_know#Older_nominations points to 17 September, which would give us plenty of room? Or is there something which I haven´t understood, here? Huldra (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I hope you are right. At least I moved it to 20 November section. --George Ho (talk) 22:52, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
I am willing to IAR and accept this nomination of a worthy article. 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well-referenced. I added Harvard footnotes, but was unable to do so on a number of notes; you may wish to put those extra notes into a "Notes" section, which I'm not so familiar with doing. QPQ done by nominator. Regarding the hook, I don't see an inline cite for the fact that he visited in 1875, and I also don't think the hook is so interesting. Plenty of places in Palestine were visited by Europeans in the 1800s – take Conder and Kitchener, for example. Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Palestinian Arab village of Hadatha, where late Roman and Byzantine ceramics were found, was depopulated during the 1948 Palestine war? Drmies (talk) 15:59, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- "Depopulated" is a politically charged word, implying that the Israelis threw them out. According to the sources, though, the Arabs abandoned the village. So let's write:
- ALT2:
... that the Palestinian Arab village of Hadatha, where late Roman and Byzantine ceramics were found, was abandoned during the 1948 Palestine war? 
Hook refs verified and AGF, and cited inline. ALT2 good to go.
- User:Drmies, User:Yoninah (sorry, having to take a break in the Holiday Season) NO! ..it is the other way around! "Depopulated" is what we have come up with as a compromise! "Abandoned" is a POV word in this connection (typically used by certain Israeli sources)....as is "ethnically cleansed" (typically used by some Palestinian sources). "Abandoned" implies that it was done voluntarily, "ethnically cleansed" that it was forced. "Depopulated" simply means "Depopulated"; no implications about reasons. It is *not* "good to go" with "abandoned" in the hook. Huldra (talk) 05:01, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- I am no expert in this area, but "depopulated" struck me as pretty neutral, which is why I picked it. Drmies (talk) 13:38, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with you that "depopulated" appears neutral in the hook; I just didn't think it looked neutral in the lead of the article, with the forthcoming explanation that the village was "abandoned". But with your explanation of the difference between terms, Huldra, I understand the use of "depopulated" and am happy to reinstate ALT1. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- User:Drmies, User:Yoninah Thank you for taking care of the matter, and I agree: ALT1 ready to go! Yoninah: I perfectly understand your reasoning, seeing the text in the info-box. It has been agreed, for simplicity, that that text in the info-box should (slavishly) follow Benny Morris given reasons (see note 3). But other experts sometimes disagree with Morris (see note 15). We therefore use the compromise word "depopulated" in the lead. Please have a continued Happy Holiday season! Huldra (talk) 21:08, 27 December 2014 (UTC)