Template:Did you know nominations/Josefina Guerrero

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Josefina Guerrero

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... ~~that Josefina Guerrero became a Filipina soldier and spy in spite of being diagnosed with Hansen's disease, making maps that helped the American forces defeat the Japanese in Manila Harbour?~~
Alt1 ... that Josefina Guerrero was an effective spy during World War II because of the stigma associated with her leprosy?

Source for both hooks: From Outcast to Spy to Outcast: The War Hero with Hansen’s Disease - The National WWII Museum 1

Comment: Perhaps hold for November and Wikipedia Asian Month? --evrik ^(talk) 16:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Concur. — Maile (talk) 18:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Reviewed: Alan Swallow

Created by FlosRomanus. Nominated by Maile66 (talk) at 15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC).

I didn't "create", did some minor copyediting and cleanup only. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

OK. Removed your name as a creator. — Maile (talk)

Thanks, Maile (my edit count is always inflated by the way I edit :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Going to claim this for review. ALT0 is perhaps the more promising hook here, but it's a bit complicated: would it be possible to focus on the disease part, reword it a bit to make it flow better, or even split it into two if needed (one for the disease, the other for the maps)? Took a look at the article yesterday and it looked pretty promising, though it still needed some copyediting. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Fine with me. Evrik You were good about honing the above hooks. Can you come up with something here? Thanks in advance. — Maile (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Alt0a ... that Josefina Guerrero was a Filipina soldier and spy, diagnosed with Hansen's disease, whose intelligence helped the defeat of the Japanese at Manila Harbor? --evrik ^(talk) 04:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Alt1 seems to shortchange her spunk and courage ... she could have gone to her room and cried instead. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:41, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Alt0b ... that Josefina Guerrero was a Filipina soldier and spy, diagnosed with Hansen's disease, whose intelligence reports helped to defeat the Japanese at Manila Harbor? — Maile (talk) 00:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

ALT0b sounds good. I'll be finishing the full review by tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Article is new enough, long enough and adequately sourced. ALT0b is cited inline; as the main source of the hook is a book I have no access too, I am assuming good faith on its contents. A QPQ has been accomplished. I do have some questions about the article: for one, the article goes straight from her activities in her WW2 to her death in 1996, a jump of over 50 years. Is there no other known information about her post-war life? Secondly, the tone of the article sounds a bit too laudatory; maybe that could be addressed a bit. Finally, there have been objections in the past to hooks that go "DYK that person X is a/an Y" since apparently those have been said to be "statements of fact" and not hooks, so an alternate wording may need to be proposed too. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Evrik amd SandyGeorgia can you please help out on the questions raised by the reviewer. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 11:00, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps @FlosRomanus: could address the post-war gap? I like Alt0b myself. I'm okay with the tone, but perhaps this should get listed at GOCE? --evrik ^(talk) 21:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

will finish the book first. Ill add her life after the war — FlosRomanus 5:17, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Is this okay now? Just waiting for the later life stuff to be added to the article before approving. Narutolovehinata5 ^t

Narutolovehinata5 Yes — FlosRomanus 6:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Per the rules at WP:DYK, each paragraph in the "Post-War" section requires at least one footnote, even if all of the paragraphs are cited to the same source. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:32, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@FlosRomanus and Maile66: Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 It looks to me like the footnotes were added yesterday. — Maile (talk) 10:16, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, this is almost GTG. ALT0b just needs to be reworded so that it won't have the format "DYK that X was a Y". Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

My brain cells have temporarily drained, so let's see what @SandyGeorgia and Evrik: can come up with. Or ... any passing stranger who suddenly has an inspiration. — Maile (talk) 02:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry ... I cannot help ... not that familiar with DYK, so do not know what the issue is. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I like Alt0b. --evrik ^(talk) 02:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Alt2 ... that Filipina soldier and spy Josefina Guerrero, diagnosed with leprosy, created intelligence reports helping to defeat the Japanese at Manila Harbor? --evrik ^(talk) 02:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, we should be good to go with ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to everybody above for getting this finally settled and approved. Hooray! — Maile (talk) 01:17, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this. Please provide a page number for the reference in footnote 3. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Footnote 3? That seems to be an entire book that was used for several citations. Not sure what you asking, except that maybe in the places where the book is used as a source, it should e broken down by page numbers. I think we also need to pose this question to FlosRomanus who read the book. — Maile (talk) 19:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

@Maile66: if it's a range of page numbers, that's also okay, as long as it credits the victory to Guerrero's map, as the article says. Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah Getting back to this. First of all, everything about the hook can be found in the online source , which is #5. And that's mentioned above, below the first hook we tried. And it's a 1-page thing for a WWII museum, so there are no page numbers. I'm not sure why you want page numbers to Cite 3, but that appears to be an electronic book that has no page numbers, as is the going trend with Ebooks. — Maile (talk) 01:54, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Maile, The ALT3 hook fact seems to be connected to this sentence: On September 29, 1944, the Americans used her map to successfully crush the Japanese defenses in Manila Harbour. This sentence is cited to footnote 3. Where in footnote 3 am I supposed to look? If the sentence can be cited to an additional source, please do so. Yoninah (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah I see how you have come up with this. I didn't write the article, so it threw me a little. I don't have anymore access to that Google book than you do. However, I looked at the National WWII Museum source, and the date in the article is incorrect. It's September 21. I corrected that, and linked it to the museum source instead of the book. The sentence you are referring to in the article, was part of an expansion that happened since I first looked at the article. I hope we are ok now. If not, I think the author needs to speak up. — Maile (talk) 18:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Yep ... I did a search term of September 21 in the book, and sure enough (no page number), it flips right to a page that says a young boy who was one of the Japanese captives heard the beginning of the battle on September 21. A search for September 24 says "no results". — Maile (talk) 18:40, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, the National WWII Museum source did the trick. Restoring tick for ALT2 per Narutolovehinata5's review. Yoninah (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)