Template:Did you know nominations/Lajia

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 00:36, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Lajia

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... that Lajia was the place where the world's oldest noodles were found?

Comment: The source of the hook fact can be found in reference 6.

5x expanded by Jehbe3412 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC).

. I cannot establish that this article has been expanded 5x between the 7 May and the 17 May. Even if I take the most generous bracket of time (i.e. not counting the subsequent downsizing by Keith D), I am supposed to compare the version of 02:06, 26 April 2021‎ with the version of 13:45, 17 May 2021‎. For the first version, DYKCheck gives me 1914 characters and 328 words. For the second version, DYKCheck gives me 5882 characters and 982 words. JBchrch talk 20:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There was one edit which was a 2 x expansion. The nom has only ever made 3 edits and no amount of leeway could get this close. Desertarun (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know, I will be expanding the Lajia article further. Jehbe3412 (talk) 21:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

As of today, DYKcheck is showing a 5x expansion starting on May 17, seven days prior to the nomination; the nominator made the additions within 48 hours of the above post. Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing. Looking good overall, but I'll need some time to check in detail. --LordPeterII (talk) 12:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jehbe3412: There is a number of weird sentences in the article, and it would certainly need some copy editing. As a student editor, are you still active? --LordPeterII (talk) 11:49, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

LordPeterII, I'm pretty sure the class ended a month ago, and the nominator hasn't edited since then. If you don't get a response after seven days, I think you have to assume that any copyediting will need to be done by someone else. It would probably take a few weeks if a Guild of Copy Editors request was made. I have made a post to the nominator's page that more work is needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:16, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Yeah I figured so much. I won't bother the guild, they have enough to do already with GAN and stuff. I'll probably do the copy-editing myself when I have time. --LordPeterII (talk) 09:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The article passes DYKCheck and there are no copyright issues. Provided hook looks interesting and is inline cited in the article. This is nominators first DYK, so QPQ is not required. However, I feel the hook needs to be modified. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 12:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that world's oldest noodles were found in Lajia?

~~Good to go with the modified hook. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 05:29, 22 July 2021 (UTC)~~

Ahem, excuse me but what? This article is not ready yet (as I have written above). I hope I'm not breaking a rule by putting another symbol here, but as the one who was originally intending to do the review I can't let this pass in its current state. @TheAafi: Sorry for this, but have you read the article? Half of the sentences don't make sense to me. Might pass for length and such, but I feel like quality can't be ignored completely. I intended to rectify this myself but got sucked into other projects, and so will request at the Guild of Copy Editors after all. It certainly can pass at some point, but please keep it on hold until the prose is in an acceptable state. --LordPeterII (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

LordPeterII I'm holding it until then. I skimmed through it and didn't find any major problem. Good wishes with the copyediting. Please ping me once you believe it is fine to be passed. ─ The Aafī ^{^(talk)} 09:53, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Please note that although the article has been requested at GOCE, the backlog is such that it will likely be early to mid-September before the copyedit is completed. Having skimmed much of the article myself, it clearly needs a careful copyedit prior to being approved for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Well, in that case I'll add it back to my to-do list. I need some time to do this properly (got sucked into storm coverage), but it won't take until September. I'll ping the reviewer when I'm finished. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

LordPeterII hasn't edited since late July. If they don't return, is anyone willing to address any remaining issues so that this can be passed? Courtesy ping to Twofingered Typist who has made a number of edits to the article recently. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5 I have run through the article and done a final clean up. I believe it is ready to go. I shall remove it from the GOCE requests page as completed. Regards, Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I've also done a thorough edit of the article, including removing a lot of close paraphrase copyvios that honestly I'm surprised weren't spotted in prior reviews. There are no major outstanding problems now, though the prose size is now far less than 1500 words, and I'd say it's barely C class in terms of coverage. If you still want to run it, please amend the hook slightly:
ALT2 ... that world's oldest known noodles have been found at Lajia?
Because discoveries of this nature are always provisional (someone might find older noodles tomorrow). – Joe (talk) 13:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much to Twofingered Typist and Joe Roe for their extensive editing work. After their recent edits and removal of copyvios, the article is now 4558 prose characters, little more than a twofold increase from the 1917 prose characters mentioned in the original review by Jbchrch, and fewer characters than the 5882 prose characters in the original expansion. While I considered offering an extra seven days for a new expansion, I decided not to: not only is this the oldest extant unapproved DYK nomination, but I think it unlikely that Jehbe3412, who hasn't edited Wikipedia in over two months, will be able to properly expand the article to fivefold (9585 total prose characters) given the issues with their previous expansion (the edits of which have been hidden due to the copyvios). If another editor disagrees, they are welcome to allow seven days from today. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)