Template:Did you know nominations/Libellus responsionum

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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:47, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Libellus responsionum

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... that the decretal Libellus responsionum (pictured) was written in 601 by Pope Gregory I to Augustine of Canterbury in response to questions regarding the nascent church in Anglo-Saxon England?

Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by Eltheodigraeardgesece (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 21:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

@Eltheodigraeardgesece: @Oceanh: Well this is odd - I came here looking for a QPQ to do having just authored a new article about another papal decretal (great minds think alike eh?), Spondent Pariter. This article looks fantastic - was passed as a GA yesterday so new enough, is obviously long enough, is well sourced, neutral and the GA review did not pick any copyright/close paraphrasing issues so I will AGF on this one (the vast majority of sources are off-line). The hook is under 200 characters but I would recommend linking "nascent church". Also, why not include the excellent and encyclopedic image used in this article in the nomination, File:Stuttgart, Württembergische Landesbibliothek, HB VI 113, fol. 166r.png. My only suggestion: the hook itself isn't so much of an interesting fact but more of a summation of the article - I'm sure there is more of an interesting fact about this subject than just its existence. I would suggest something about the controversy over its authenticity - that's fascinating. Thoughts? Acather96 (click here to contact me) 17:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree, though I (maybe like Acather) haven't the energy to sort out exactly what a hook on that could be. Someone pursue that please! EEng (talk) 04:14, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I added the requested image to the hook. It is hard to condense the very long controversy chapter into a short one-sentence hook. Intstead I suggest an alt1 or alt2 hook with more focus on the content.

ALT1:... that the papal decretal Libellus responsionum from 601 AD (manuscript from c. 800 AD pictured) dealt with questions such as marriage between relatives, and whether priests might celebrate mass after sexual dreams?
ALT2:... that the papal decretal Libellus responsionum from 601 AD (manuscript from c. 800 AD pictured) dealt with questions such as marriage between relatives, and whether a pregnant woman was allowed to enjoy sex with her husband?

Oceanh (talk) 08:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

@Oceanh: ALT 1 looks very intriguing, I think this is the one that should be used. The DYK guidelines state that the facts in the hook must have an in-line citation directly after them in the article - the sexual dreams before mass fact is cited to an off-line source so we can AGF on that, but there needs to be an inline citation added after the sentence "The fifth and sixth responses deal with who might marry whom, including whether it was allowed for two brothers to marry two sisters, or for a man to marry his step-sister or step-mother." in the Contents section. As soon as this is done the article is good to go - great job on the ALT hooks by the way, and thanks for adding the image! :) Acather96 (click here to contact me) 11:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I added an inline citation to the sentence (and also corrected numbering of the questions). Oceanh (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I like ALT1 as well. Can we get an image of a priest having a sexual dream? EEng (talk) 16:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

- Thanks for the fix @Oceanh:, and whilst I am not sure you were being humorous @EEng: I think the current picture is acceptable. So we now have a hook containing two main facts one cited offline and the other online, so ALT 1 is now approved and good to go to the main page. Good work guys! Acather96 (click here to contact me) 18:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

You're unsure whether I was serious about finding an image of a priest having a sexual dream? EEng (talk) 18:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

@EEng: Well I know you are now sure that I am bad at detecting humor over the internet. Having said that, I would now be interested to see if a such an image could be found :P Acather96 (click here to contact me) 18:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

If you find anything, please don't let us know. BTW I'm having 2nd thoughts about this -- I'm not sure we should be giving main-page exposure to an article which is potentially libellus. EEng (talk) 20:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)