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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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Monica Byrne

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Created by Oefe (talk). Self-nominated at 22:13, 15 December 2015 (UTC).

  • @Oefe: This article was nominated a fortnight after it was created, but as a new contributor to DYK that can be allowed. However, it is also a little short. To be eligible for DYK, an article needs to have at least 1500 characters of prose and the article currently has 1371 characters (the bullet points don't count). Can you manage a couple more sentences? A bit more in the lead perhaps? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
  • @Cwmhiraeth: I expanded the article a bit, and think it is now above the 1500 limit (how exactly is this number determined?). I wondered whether I should write more about The Girl In the Road, but the book has already its own (stub) article, so I guess that should go into that article instead. Her essays would be a lot to write about, but wouldn't this mean relying on primary sources, which I understand should not be used? Oefe (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
  • This article is new enough and now long enough at 2032 characters. (I have a "page size" tool on the left of my screen, but I cannot remember by what means I acquired it.) The hook facts have inline citations, the article is neutral, and I detected no copyright or close paraphrasing issues. Good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this and did a copyedit on the article, fixing links and formatting lists. A line seems to be missing between the second and third sentences of the second paragraph under Life and career. First we're talking about 2008 and then we jump to the present day. Some kind of transitional statement is needed here, like "She decided to become a playwright" or "She began writing plays". Also, a cite is needed for the quote at the end of the third paragraph. Yoninah (talk) 23:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Thanks for your copyedit. I added transitional statements. I'm not completely happy with the result yet and intend to tweak it a little more, but maybe you want to have a look? Oefe (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
  • @Oefe: thank you for your changes, they look very good. Please let me know when you're finished tweaking the article so we can finalize your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you. The prose reads very well now. Restoring tick per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 15:47, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
PFHLai pushed this hook to prep, but I pulled it. I understand that it's trying to be cute, but it comes off as misleading and confusing. I went to IRC to ask if anyone there had a way of rewording it, which led to this change, but it didn't feel right making that significant of a change after the hook was pushed to prep.
Ricky81682 proposed an alt, which I've copied here (I tweaked the tenses a bit from his suggestion), ALT1 ... that Monica Byrne's drama What Every Girl Should Know is about Catholic school girls that worship Margaret Sanger?
Yoninah, would you be willing to take a look at the alt? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
More wordy but it's odd enough to get people to read and see what it's about. Also, I think ALT1 should be "who worship...." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:15, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I understand that the original teaser went maybe too far. User:The Squirrel Conspiracy's edit mitigates this somewhat, and I actually like it better than the original. But I would also be happy with ALT1 or ALT2. Oefe (talk) 21:12, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I also prefer ALT2, because people (like myself) may not know who Margaret Sanger is, and the "sex education" part catches the eye. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Cwmhiraeth. ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:49, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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