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Hello A1412De, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your additions to Mount Abu have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 12:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: I will surely take care in the future. Thanks. A1412De (talk) 12:41, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: KD Hospital (December 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by AngusWOOF were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:35, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: KD Hospital (December 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by ToBeFree was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello @ToBeFree:, I am not getting it. The other sources in the citations are newspaper articles that clearly mention and give significant coverage to the hospital and the treatment provided with the statements given by the treating doctors and management of the hospital. These sources are reputed newspapers and so are reliable, independent, and verifiable. Also, the you tube video is also the coverage by an independent news channel. I found these sources to be relevant, independent, reliable, and covering the topic significantly.

Kindly suggest/point out specifically which sources you would like me to keep and which ones I should remove according to you. This will be a great help and guidance.

Thanks A1412De (talk) 05:21, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Whether or not these newspaper articles amount to significant and in-depth coverage of the hospital may involve a judgment call. Their independence is also questionable when they are based primarily on press releases or statements issued by the hospital or on interviews of hospital personnel. Your reviewers have likely gone through all of the references to come up with their assessments – I only looked at the first four – but you seem to be amplifying brief mentions and statements by the hospital into independent and significant coverage. These lesser sources can be used in an article to support individual statements, but they are not sufficient to establish notability. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:58, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Jmcgnh: I am open to suggestion on what references meet the criteria and which ones don't. I will be grateful if you can pinpoint the ones to be kept and the one's that are not apt according to you. Thanks. A1412De (talk) 07:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

A1412De, I wasn't suggesting that these lesser references be removed, though having three references for a single incidental event is probably at least one too many.

What's missing are references that can be used to establish notability. I interpret the decline message from the reviewers to indicate that none of the other references (the ones I did not examine) meet the expected standard.

That means your main task is to find better references; weeding out the excesses among the current refs is a lesser issue. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: But these are the only references I could gather. Kindly examine the references and let me know which references do not meet the notability criteria. Thanks. A1412De (talk) 07:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi A1412De, all of them. None of the references independently describes the hospital itself in detail. If these are the only references that exist about the topic, then the topic is not notable, and an article can not be published on Wikipedia, no matter how well-written it is. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 11:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:KD Hospital has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:KD Hospital. Thanks! ~Kvng (talk) 15:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Kvng:, As you had asked to list the WP:THREE best sources that establish notability of the subject, Kindly check and let me know if the following meet the criteria:

1. Chawda Yogesh (11 November 2019). "City Runs to beat diabetes" (https://epaper.timesgroup.com/Olive/ODN/TimesOfIndia/#). News co. Times Of India, Ahmedabad: Times City. pp. 2. Retrieved 30 March 2019 2. Ghosh Debjani (6 June 2018). “Cancer Awareness Seminar” (https://epaper.timesgroup.com/Olive/ODN/TimesOfIndia/#). News co. Times Of India, Ahmedabad: Times Nation. pp. 11. Retrieved 30 March 2019 3. Ghanghar Gopi (4 September 2019)."अहमदाबाद के अस्पताल में भर्ती हुए अमित शाह, माइनर सर्जरी के बाद मिली छुट्टी" (https://aajtak.intoday.in/story/home-minister-amit-shah-ahmedabad-kd-hospital-minor-surgery-1-1116482.html). aajtak.intoday.in (in Hindi). Retrieved 2019-12-19. A1412De (talk) 10:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

A1412De (talk) 06:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)== Your submission at Articles for creation: KD Hospital (March 28) ==

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reasons left by DGG were: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: This is a promotional press release, not an encyclopedia article.

DGG ( talk ) 05:44, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello @DGG:, How is it a press release? The organization has been covered by different newspapers and news agencies on different occasions and for different reasons. It is not just a coverage of one thing. The organization is well-known in the region and highlighted in different newspapers and news channels on several occasions.A1412De (talk) 06:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, this article is following all fundamental principles of Wikipedia:

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - This article adds to the information bank of wikipedia, the information about a reputed organization, well-known in its region. Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view - It is using an impartial tone and not advocating the use of the services or organization as such. The references cited are verifiable, accurate, authoritative, and not merely personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions. Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute: It is not plagiarized from any sources and has used all free media to support it. Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility: Is my article being rejected merely because i'm a newcomer? Because I can see that all principles of wikipedia are being adhered to in the article. Wikipedia has no firm rules: This article cab surely not be tagged as a press release as it is citing references of different sources on different occasions that pertainto the organization. A1412De (talk) 06:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)