User talk:Ahmed M Farrag

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Egypt

Hi

Do you have the text of the new version of the constitution? --Panam2014 (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Panam2014: if you mean Egypt's 2014 constitution, you can find a translation of it here. A cached copy of a lower quality one found on a .gov site can be accessed here. --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. And for the amendements? --Panam2014 (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Panam2014: This article lists some of the amendments. I'll try to find a better English source, unless Arabic is good for you. --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 18:54, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Found one. Also, the Arabic article now has a list of the changed texts along with their current counterparts. --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. When will the Senate be elected? --Panam2014 (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear @Panam2014: Sorry for taking so long. According to this, a law needs to be put forward first by the current Parliament that "details and clarifies" the constitutional amendments and "sets elections dates". This quotes the Parliament's chair saying it's expected in 2020, alongside the Parliament's elections which is due sometime in May-April 2020. --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 11:52, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

there are still Entrenched_clause in the new text? Also, there are also Entrenched clauses in Tunisian and Algerian constitutions. Despite Bouteflika attempted to run for a fitth term in 2019 before protests. --Panam2014 (talk) 15:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Yes, it remains, as the amendments never touched article 226. Apparently they don't need to remove it. I have no idea, though, about the Tunisian and Algerian constitutions and whether/how their entrenched clauses were circumvented. --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 15:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

The clause in Egypt was about the number of terms and their duration? --Panam2014 (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@Panam2014: I'm inclined to think it doesn't cover duration. The last paragraph of article 226 stipulates "In all cases, texts pertaining to the re-election of the president of the republic or the principles of freedom and equality stipulated in this Constitution may not be amended, unless the amendment brings more guarantees." [1] --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Will Sisi appoint soon a vice-president? --Panam2014 (talk) 13:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@Panam2014: Newspapers mention that, under the amendments, there's no obligation for the president to appoint one. But nothing pertaining to a time frame for one to be appointed. --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 13:58, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

استفسار

السلام عليكم،، يعطيك العافية استاذ احمد، لاحظت انك قمت بوضع انذار لمسح صور قمت بتحميلها لاشارك في تطوير صفحات ويكيبيديا ممكن اسأل عن السبب وكيفية الغاء قرار المسح FootBallQ8 (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

مرحبا @FootBallQ8،
رددت عليك على كومنز. تحياتي. Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

اخي ممكن تتواصل معي على الايميل FootBallQ8 (talk) 20:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

ذلك صعب. أرجوك واصل النقاش على كومنز وليس هنا بما أنه أمر متعلق بكومنز وليس ويكيبيديا الإنجليزية. Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edits?

I was simply improving the articles and ensuring that they better fit Wikipedia's official neutral point of view policy. I didn't even remove content. Zakawer (talk) 23:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Zakawer,
Thanks for reaching out. The two articles, Rabaa massacre and Rabia sign, describe events that took place more than 10 years ago. Both articles are stable. I find your change of words are watering down and underplaying the military's role in the massacre, and going more in the direction of state/military propaganda. Also, there are some unsourced additions in the second article.

And on this topic, I see you also made changes to Egypt; could you please provide a reference for the statement you added, or otherwise remove it: "this included the election in 2012 of a brief, ahort-lived Muslim Brotherhood-aligned Islamist government spearheaded by Mohamed Morsi" the part where it says "Muslim Brotherhood-aligned government".

Also, in the same article you added "and its subsequent overthrow after mass protests in 2013" which gives the impression the coup d'etat was a popular demand, which it isn't.

Cheers, Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 17:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I simply believe that I was toning down statements that came off as biased against the mass protests against Mohamed Morsi's government in June 2013 and/or appeared to have a pro-Muslim Brotherhood bias. That is all. Zakawer (talk) 18:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Like I said, I wasn't even removing any content from the pages. All I believe I was doing was correcting potential POV-related wording issues, and yet you take serious offense with that. Perhaps you and I have completely different ideas of what a neutral viewpoint on Egyptian post-Arab Spring history looks like. Zakawer (talk) 19:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

In fact, you even removed some of my copyediting-related improvements to the articles when you reverted them. Zakawer (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

In fact, a substantial portion of your edits are just you reverting stuff by other Wikipedians. Zakawer (talk) 19:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Zakawer,
How is replacing "removed him from office in a coup d'etat" with "removed him from office" helping a neutral POV? If anything this is endorsing a fringe POV, which is the regime's propaganda, that no coup took place and that protesters killed themselves!
Please stop removing references to the 2013 violent coup d'etat. Try again in 11 more years, maybe then those who witnessed it would be gone. Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Whether or not the removal of Mohamed Morsi from office should be called a coup d'état or not (as well as whether or not the protesters supporting his overthrown government were actually peaceful, or instead were violent and armed themselves) is admittedly debatable and still in dispute. Yes, several reliable sources do use the term, but there are also multiple ones which don't call Morsi's removal a coup as well. You seem to insist that calling Morsi's removal from office a coup constitutes NPOV, but even that seems arguable. After all, there actually was a notable debate on Wikipedia over what to call the 2013 removal of Mohamed Morsi from office in the first place, which was even acknowledged by major media outlets:

https://www.businessinsider.com/theres-a-war-on-wikipedia-over-the-egyptian-military-coup-2013-7

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/egypt-wikipedia-093850 Zakawer (talk) 15:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Zakawer for the links. These, as you can see, are for articles published just after the coup d'etat in 2013. At the time, and under heavy military propaganda, there were members of the public who were under the impression this military intervention was not a coup. This very quickly subsided, especially after the Rab'aa massacre, and ever since then you would only find the fringe POV that this was not a coup echoed in the military's propaganda echo chamber. Even all major Wikipedias are in agreement of calling it a coup, after their respective discussions. To come now, not in July of 2013, but in 2024, and suggest this was not a coup, is a clear attempt of whitewashing a bloody and violent coup d'etat, the ramifications of which are still felt in Egyptians daily life. So, please stop the whitewash. Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 14:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

The sources I have linked to are generally considered reliable, and neither of them are particularly biased in favor of (and have likely never demonstrated a bias explicitly in favor of) the 2013–2014 interim government and/or Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. Your viewpoints have more in common with the contemporary ramblings of the Turkish government at the time, which had greatly strained political relations with Egypt, than it does with the majority of reliable and trustworthy media outlets.

In fact, If I specifically wanted to align more heavily toward this so-called "military propaganda" that you speak of, I would've outright used the word "revolution" to describe the protests against Morsi and his subsequent overthrow that followed them. But I won't, because I know it can be just as loaded of a term as "coup d'état" is.

Also, I don't recommend vilifying contemporary national governments that aren't Russia, China, India, North Korea, Turkey, Venezuela, Iran Zakawer (talk) 16:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

My opinions are none of your business, just as yours are none of mine. And keep your opinions to yourself, and certainly keep them out of Wikipedia articles. Stop whitewashing a bloody and violent coup d'etat by removing its references or replacing them with the word "event"! World War II is not World Event II, and the 2013 Egyptian coup d'état is not 2013 Egyptian event. Wikipedia is not a place for fringe theories; any such major change, as changing a worldwide known event's name, must receive consensus in the talk page before being implemented. Until then, stop your disruptive whitewashing attempts. Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 14:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)