User talk:Alatari/Archive 2

Templates

Another editor pointed out a change you made to an article where you replaced a {{wikia}} with a normal [http://site.com/] link, I wanted to point out that when you see text surrounded by {{ and }} it represents a template, for example:

Becomes

Wikia has a wiki about this topic: RuneScape Wiki

It is an easy way to maintain a constant style through out many links not a mechanism for promoting a commercial site. -- RichardSlater ^(About)/_(Talk) 19:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikia is a commercial site dedicated to hosting external Wiki's and by listing it as host it becomes an advertisement endorsing a particular host which could be considered Spam I have yet to find an external Wiki reference setup it the same format advertising Enterwiki enterwiki or StrategyWiki Strategywiki as the host of the external wiki. If Wikia has the ability to advertise their hosting in that manner then we will have to go through all external wiki links and allow competing host sites to put the 'at host tag. Is this the work load you signed up for? A better strategy would be to create a template called {{WikiHost|HostSite|WikiName|Name}} to allow for free trade practices. Or better yet just use the built in external linking mechanism of Wikipedia and leave off the hosting information which is unimportant to the information the external site provides. Do we really want to go through every external link and add the web pages hosts' information? Alatari 21:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: I did find a template for StrategyWiki Template:StrategyWiki Alatari 21:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was unsure if you had understood how templates work. As you do understand, I would ask why change the text in the Runescape article rather than changing the template. As I said templates are used to present a a constant style throughout Wikipedia, if you disagree with the formatting of a template, you should change the template rather than changing the text. -- RichardSlater ^(About)/_(Talk) 21:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Template itself is an advertisement for Wikia. Only in circumstances where knowledge of pages' hosting website might be necessary to understanding the bias of the page is it necessary to list the host. Alatari 21:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Gallente

I should probably clarify a few things so as to avoid any confusion. On August 25, 2007, Gallente was redirected to Races of EVE Online. Races of EVE Online was put up for deletion via WP:AFD and subsequently it was decided to delete most of the articles related to EVE (see here). When Races of EVE Online was deleted, the redirect from Gallente became a broken redirect, and was marked by another user as such. I speedy-deleted the article as a broken redirect under WP:CSD#R1.

As for adding content to Wikipedia and other such matters, these series of articles are probably not appropriate for Wikipedia. However, there are plenty of sites in which you can create your own free wiki, such as Wikia or editthis.info (I think), and you can create a wiki specific to your interests. I hope that clarifies matters. Cheers. --MZMcBride 20:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eve-Wiki was at Wikia but the owners somehow found Wikia's hosting less than satisfying. The other couple of popular free hosting sites I found while investigating the free Wiki phenomena were strategywiki and enterwiki Alatari 20:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Amarr Empire

Hi - I have userfied this article to User:Alatari/Amarr Empire. Do you need the text from the other deleted articles, or just this one? ELIMINATORJR 21:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Userfy' them over. There is some information not represented on the eve-wiki site. Alatari 21:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About FixPOV in Personal computer

It says Microsoft Word is a “good” word processor, and that word processors before that time were not good. If they didn't exist on home computers, it would be enough to just remove the word “Good”, I guess. --AVRS 08:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eve Online

I didn't - which ones do you want? ELIMINATORJR 00:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We

Yeah, I kind of realized when I made the changes that there's some obvious exceptions to that rule. :P Considered myself pwned. Cheers! :D -WarthogDemon 01:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits to MOS Technology and MOS Technology 6502

I've identified the user who added the links. You might want to look at User talk:JettaMann#On_the_Edge:_The_Spectacular_Rise_and_Fall_of_Commodore, particularly at the other pages it was added to. ⇌Elektron 13:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your note

Thank you for your note. If you read the lead (including the sources) and the first section of the article, it makes clear that scholars differ, and it explains where the word comes from. However, it's clear from the key literature (which takes months and years to read) that the main scholars typically — as our article says, typically, but not invariably — define "the Holocaust" as the attempt to exterminate Europe's Jews. The Holocaust was not just mass killing; it was an attempt to wipe out an entire race of people. But our article also discusses the other victims of the genocide, as do the main scholars. Our article really does reflect the key scholarly sources very closely on that point. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you've probably violated 3RR by now. This says that just three reverts of another editor's work are allowed in 24 hours. It need not be a revert of the same material each time, and can involve as little as one word. Please see WP:3RR. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure I haven't violated 3RR. We will have to go through this voting on source by source and whether why each major sources viewpoint is being ignored. The word 'typical' is incorrect and weasley wordy and no editor has presented a citation showing typicalness. This would need to be Alexa or Bookscan citations of sales figures or other proof of how wide spread the source is. The issue is the lead in definition only. The rest of the article is fine. You have ignored at least 5 other major editors opinions that agree with me. Alatari (talk) 18:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In reply to your question: no. There is a banner requesting futher citations in a table, the Jewish resistance section is just as POV-sounding as it was when I GA reviewed it, and in general the article is still very cluttered. VanTucky ^Talk 22:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guiding Hand Social Club

You just have "reason" listed as your reason for why the article should be deleted. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 04:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

=Response from Smerdis of Tlön

You asked --

When you say the sources are not reliable could you walk me through why you think so? I need to firm up my understanding on this matter. A critique of the sources in say an article like Vampire lifestyle would also help my understanding. EVE Online is quite addictive and having scary players around to contend with gives some hand-shaking moments worse than seeing horror flicks. Adrenaline rushes like that a few times a month can be worth the $15... IMO. Alatari (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At least historically, self-published sources like gaming blogs and commentary are not considered reliable within the meaning of the policy. I am not fully convinced of the truth of this, myself; there are a number of game wikis out there that seem to provide information that is accurate and helpful. But that is what current doctrine holds. That other articles also contain dubious sources is generally dismissed with reference to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; I have issues with that essay too. I suppose the bottom line for me is that if this sort of play is allowed and encouraged within that game (for allowing it strikes me as identical to encouraging it, given the apparent gains realized), it would need to receive some kind of notice outside the gaming community. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust figures

What figures would you post? Please list them on the talk page with sources.--Woogie10w (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a whole nother 3 days of work. Since many editors are most comfortable with Museum sites heres this list http://www.science.co.il/Holocaust-Museums.asp and the list of sources I have on the talk page archive 17 also plus what you have found. You can create a table for each group and we'll probably have to run a proposal vote on each table till allowing the sources to be picked at. Nothing about this article is fast or easy. I'm sure discrepancies between the sources will be high especially on the Roma since they had a vagabond lifestyle and the Soviet side where there are distortions from Soviet propaganda. Stalin hid Hitlers body for years trying to get the West to believe he maybe alive so how can all their death numbers be trusted? Propaganda is everywhere on this issue and war necessitates exaggerations of the details to mold perceptions. I'll source hunt and see if I find any sources not already covered sometime tomorrow. Alatari (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope my posts in the past few weeks will be taken into consideration by the editors of the page--Woogie10w (talk) 21:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]