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Thanks

Thank you for your kind and helpful suggestions. I really appreciate your taking time for a newbie. Nayehi 05:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem! We're all new at least once! Benjiboi 05:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Slut Night

Very impressive! Well done. Pdfpdf 16:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Benjiboi 00:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

A little background info

This is in response to your comments at Talk:Matt Sanchez.

The cplsanchez.info site that has been mentioned is an attack site, run by now-indefinitely banned editor Pwok, who was the source of a lot of the strife that the talk page had endured in the past. (Sanchez's hostility towards gays didn't help.) Sanchez's demands to change the article are better than his earlier behavior, which was to edit the article himself. The article is terribly written, and nobody is happy with the article (Sanchez wants to whitewash the past and focus on his new career, and his critics want to tar him with the prostitution charge and tie him to Coulter.) However, it is almost impossible to edit the article, because anything other than the tiniest changes send someone over the edge. Horologium t-c 01:43, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the info, please update the talk page with some of this info for future editors as well. Benjiboi 01:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:True Colors 2007 The Tour CD cover.jpg

I've updated image file with rationale and fixed tagging on all related articles. Benjiboi 11:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:SisKittysml.jpg

Image file updated and fixed tagging on all related articles. Benjiboi 12:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:DJ Pusspuss by Tommy Kohl.jpg

Image file updated and fixed tagging on all related articles. Benjiboi 12:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Sister Sew and Sew and Sew.jpg

Image file updated and fixed tagging on all related articles. Benjiboi 12:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez Article - Response

Your weasel-worded "non"/accusation that I am being "disruptive" is very strange. I have made one single edit to the page. It was reverted, and I have therefore gone back to the talk page to discuss it, and I have been civil in doing so. Please tell me how you consider this to be disruptive. Please point to an example of my supposed incivility. As for my 'voluminous' discussion, how are you gauging this? What constitutes 'voluminous' to you? And why are your own comments not 'voluminous' and disruptive? I also note that many of my arguments are simply ignored, particularly in regard to whether primary sources are valid as long as they are not invasive. It's especially strange, since I thought you agreed that the prostitution reference belongs in the article. It is a large part of why Sanchez is notable at all. If you respond, please reply on my page. Thanks.Typing monkey 19:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I pretty much agree with what you're stating in the talk pages. The style is disruptive-ish when you look at the talk pages history and see users such as yourself post 5-7 times in a row across topics. It makes it harder for any editors to follow the discussion and communicate. i first let a similiar warning on Matt Sanchez & Blue Marine's pages and felt it only fair to do the same for opposing viewpoint editors that may have been following his lead. If everyone can relax a bit the talk pages might become more useful to all concerned. Benjiboi 19:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Benjiboi, it's really embarrassing that you apparently have no idea about the history of the situation before aiming any sort of censure to other editors. Please read the entire history of the discussion, and then read it again, and then go back and read the source material and read it again. You are asking questions that are basic and show that you have not given this the thought you're capable of. Typing monkey 06:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

There's the "history" tab which you can click on and see what changes have been made "across headings." I try to respond on the talk page where the discussion has been started. It can be confusing. However I don't think that replying that way is disruptive, which is what you accused me of, which hurt my feelings, I'm a sensitive, fragile soul. Be gentle with me. What hurt me most is that you said you might get around to reading the history/archives later. I was threatened with banning (by WJB) and then told I was "disruptive" (by you) because I was accused of not knowing the whole story. Hm. Please read the whole thing, please read the archives, even of people who have been not wikipedia-friendly, read all of it before starting another thread on the basics of the controversy behind this entry. Particularly before snapping at other editors about their behavior. I don't want to "bite" but you really need a history on the topic before you start snapping at others (like me) about whether or not they are being 'disruptive.' Please respond on my page. Typing monkey 07:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha, now I have an idea what you're referring to. My chill admonishment above was really written for Matt Sanchez himself and his alter edit ID Blue Marine which I did post to his user pages and then, to be quite fair, realized that he could easily point out that both you and the Truthandjustice editor were basically doing the same thing. Who started it didn't matter. It was basically making it harder for all concerned. If I hur your feelings my apologies - not the intent at all. Once the talk pages quieted down i felt I could -finally- start doing an overview to understand what the subject of the article was and then compare to what it could and potentially should be. Throughout I have sought clarity and asked for documentation from all sides. Once "dangling" piece of info is within a military blog where it states something along the lines that Sanchez has deleted his former escort website. If such a site existed (which is pretty standard in the gay porn world) then I wanted to see what, if anything, it said that might have a bearing on the article.

Archived talk page discussions are quite useful however they are archived to house outdated discussions about matters already dealt with. I purposely was avoiding reading them to avoid undue (and probably negative) influence, just as I have been not studying the blogs as much as simply looking for any new relevant information and reliable sources that bloggers unearth. In fairness the lefty ones spew against him and they are completely balanced by the right-wing ones that see him only as hero. I think there is some truth in both and hope to simply find a good article underneath the rabble rubble. Benjiboi 07:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, archived discussions are not necessarily "dealt with." Sometimes archives are created just to keep the discussion page from becoming too long. Elonka, for instance, just revived an un-dealt-with issue about consensus. Archived does not mean "dead" or "irrelevant." Archives just indicate lively discussion, and you need to be familiar with them before making "new" arguments. We're trying to establish consensus. The people who have contributed discussion in the archives should not be ignored.Typing monkey 07:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree that past discussion are important and not "dead" or "irrelevant." Sometimes discussions are archived in error as someone wishes it were closed. This is the first time I've had to deal with that situation. I disagree with you that one has to be familiar with the archives before starting a new thread. Indeed the concept is that an archived thread is closed and there for reference and the current threads are in process. If a thread is newly opened that has already been answered it's completely appropriate to include a link to it stating "already answered." There is an idea that for "every one student who asks a question there are twenty who were thinking it" so, to me, simply asking for information didn't seem out of line at all. If the answer to my original question is in the talk archives can you provide me a link to where it is or what exactly to search for?

As for the consensus I'm only with y'all part way as the proposed text isn't written well and seems more foggy than clear. I'm not yet in a place to rewrite it myself but am trying to get there. Benjiboi 08:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Jesse Dirkhising

Jesse Dirkhising can be included in the rape victim category because his notability is about the crimes against him; he's deceased. WP:BLP is for living people. It is for living people who are public figure but want to maintain their rape as private that the category excludes. Fighting for Justice 02:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, thank you for pointing it out. Benjiboi 02:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Fudgie Frottage

Fudgie Frottage edit

Sorry for the problem barliner 16:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

No prob. Benjiboi 20:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fudgie Frottage

I have already changed my vote to keep. --Michael Johnson 22:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I kept my vote as delete, but for notability instead of bollocks. Realkyhick 22:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your attention and time. Benjiboi 22:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fudgie Frottage

I have changed my !vote after the expansion. Thanks for alerting me to the improvement. Cheers, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

you're quite welcome. Benjiboi 00:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fudgie Frottage

Thanks for the comment, I've changed to keep. Giggy _U^CP 01:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Benjiboi 01:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• Great work Benji. Enough of us flipped to where it's safe to say you saved it. Fudgie owes you some comps when he opens in Vegas. :) - Crockspot 02:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

lol! That'd be just swell! Benjiboi 02:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Fudgie Frottage refs reminder

From talk page, [1] has a few refs yet to be cited in article please add when possible. Benjiboi 11:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Jeffree Star

Hi Benjiboi. I don't have time to do this, but would you please incorporate into Jeffree Star the information from Shuster, Fred. (November 29, 2006) Los Angeles Daily News. Caught in their web; For Mickey Avalon and Jeffree Star, fame begins with rocking Myspace pages. Section: U; Page 4. (accessible on July 22, 2007 at here by searching for "Mickey Avalon and Jeffree Star" and as reprinted here.) Thanks. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 06:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

no prob.

Thanks: tag on Jeffree Star

Thanks for changing the tag I added on Jeffree Star. I wasn't entirely happy with the Magazine tag either. The new one is probably more appropriate. Also, as per your suggestion, I described my reasoning here. -kotra 00:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Replied here. Benjiboi 00:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Second Jeffree Star EP

The notability tag on Second Jeffree Star EP simply means that there is not enought reliable source material independent of Second Jeffree Star EP to write an article on Second Jeffree Star EP. I couldn't find any information to use in the article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 22:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for looking! between his MySpace and buzznet stuff plus all the blogs and fans I was overwhelmed with finding material to work with. Benjiboi 23:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Jeffree Star article edits

Hi, please excuse me as I am getting the hang of Wikipedia. Sent in to correct a few things in the Jeffree Star article. Great Job by the way. Quietcharms 22:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

No prob, we're all new sometimes! Benjiboi 22:34, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Plastic Surgery Slumber Party

I made a separate page for Plastic Surgery Slumber Party since in most cases the album is a separate article from the artist.--milk the cows (Talk) 18:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I noticed. You probably shouldn't have since it was deleted just days ago by consensus. I imagine it will be re-added and combined once the new album is out but your un-deletion is probably premature. Benjiboi 19:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I reverted the Jeffree Star article with the album included, and removed the template along with moving the section under the "Music career" section. The Plastic Surgery Slumber Party article now redirects to Jeffree Star as it was before.--milk the cows (Talk) 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Benjiboi added as maintainer on Jeffree Star

I added your name to the maintained template in Jeffree Star's discussion page since you have greatly contributed to the article.--milk the cows (Talk) 17:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

no prob.

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I hereby award you this barnstar for your outstanding work in improving and expanding the depth of the Jeffree Star article milk the cows (Talk) 02:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Renaming image help

The only way to do it is to upload the image again with the new name, replace the old image in related articles, and then tag the original image with {{duplicate|Image:NEWNAME.jpg}}. This marks the original image for speedy deletion, referencing the new duplicate. If you are the uploader of the original image, you can use {{badname|Image:NEWNAME.jpg}}. TAnthony 03:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

lol. thanks It's gonna stay where it's at for now as it took a lot to get the new editor to understand the free licensing concept and ruthless editing protocols. Benjiboi 09:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Redstone Building

Thanks for letting me know. Sometimes the new page patrollers really get, like... oh, what's the word... paranoid. I'll see new articles in CAT:CSD that were tagged less than two minutes after they were created, and it's killing us. I _hate_ that we lose many potentially-good editors due to overeager tagging, even on articles where notability and/or copyright permission are asserted. I don't know if the article will survive a deletion debate, but at least it has a chance now.

Don't you love San Francisco? I haven't been there in three years and I'm dying to go back. Just seeing a photo of that building warms my heart. :-) Thanks again! - KrakatoaKatie 05:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd be stunned if it were brought to AfD - it's miles ahead of well established building articles and we have only been at it a...day.

I do love SF, great people and climate and culture. Benjiboi 09:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

List of queercore bands

Thanks for piping up in defense of the article, but it's now been deleted. I saved the content in my user space: User:Larrybob/List_of_queercore_bands -- it may come in handy in the future. --Larrybob 19:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Guaranteed it will - your work to document queercore will be appreciated for generations to come! Benjiboi 08:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleted talk page comment re: Masculism

Just wanted to inform you that Bremskraft deleted the concerns you posted about their edits on their talk page. Neitherday 22:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes I noticed that too, sad. I've posted for some admin support to get guidance on what steps are appropriate - the Masculism article as is - is a mess of tags.

Please let me know what comes of this. My concerns with edits to another article Feminists for life were twice deleted from Bremskraft's talk page as well. Neitherday 21:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to support you on that article (mainly as it's not too long! Benjiboi 23:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Neitherday 04:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

tag for genderfuck next updating you do

Sexual Identities tag no rest for the wicked. Benjiboi 11:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

San Francisco Graphic

The picture you submitted to the Graphic Lab to improve has been reviewed and a version is available for your judgment. Please come to the Graphic Lab and let me know what you think. Thanks. -- VegitaU 12:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I just was it looks great! Thank you! Benjiboi 12:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

advice on a template

Hi Benjiboi, just thought I'd ask you to give my {{Feminism}} the once over. I think I've got it right code-wise but if you have any advice it'd be much appreciated--Cailil ^talk 14:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Did some formatting bits and one alpha-sort, not sure if you want the top two sections in amplha order or not, i would yes but not bothered either way. Benjiboi 15:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that Benjiboi! I think the top two are okay - that's the order Neitherday has them on the vertical template so I'm not too worried about listing those lines alphabetically.--Cailil ^talk 16:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I would consider alphasorting them anyway. The vertical template works for the columns both horizontal is closer to a standard text. It's not a huge issue but it makes for ease of use. Benjiboi 17:02, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean, I'll sort them now. Thanks for the advice--Cailil ^talk 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Transphobia edits

Thanks- I will try and edit in smaller segments next time.

No problem. I could tell you meant well! Benjiboi 00:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Apologies Re: Twinkie defense

Sorry for the erroneous revert on Twinkie defense; I undid myself (sounds funny to say that)--Kubigula (talk) 04:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering what was going on when I saw you were an admin. Thanks for catching it. Benjiboi 04:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

One of the dangers of using anti-vandalism scripts - it makes it that much easier to foul up :(. Great work on the article, by the way.--Kubigula (talk) 04:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol! Thanks, I'm still cleaning up the language and dangling ideas and such. Benjiboi 04:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Use of Twinkie image

I see you're the main contributer to this article, so I'm asking here rather than being bold (which can sometimes inadvertently turn into being a dick); Do you not think the image as it stands gives the article a rather frivolous look? As somebody who lived in San Francisco at the time of the assassinations, and participated in the White Night riots, I would think a picture of Dan White would be more appropriate. Just a suggestion.

I hear you but there is a picture of him on the other related articles. If you think about Twinkie defense you and I probably know why it's called that but the vast majority of the world (even most of the queer world) will have no clue about the connection. I gave it a lengthy caption labeling it the namesake and it's main purpose it to provide clarification. If it was called the Pepsi meltdown then we'd have a photo and caption of that. Benjiboi 11:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

On reflection, perhaps the image is appropriate after all. What could be more appropriate for a silly, frivolous defense technique than a silly, frivolous image. And your caption is certainly clear in its explanation of why the image is there. Are you planning on expanding it further? Both it and the White Night Riots are certainly worthy of expansion. Let me know if you need any help in searching out info or references. Jeffpw 11:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I needed the rest from it for a bit. I got fed up defending it being in the LGBT category first then an editor was removing "frivolous info that Milk's homosexuality was "irrelevant." Perhaps the article allowed it to appear so at the time but I was determined to source as much as appropriate to ensure Milk's being gay was understood to be a major motivating factor. This was a true culture war and Milk and Moscone died for it.

If you looking for some challenges...

1.White had on his hitlist a few others besides Milk and Moscone so it would be nice to include those

2.I've done little to the White Night Riots article - this was a major gay riot

3.Both incidents sparked SF-based LGBT groups to be formed

4.The retaliatory police raid on the Elephant Walk I don't believe is well documented (or at least not with easily accessed sources) so it would be nice to suss that out a bit and speak to an uneasy legacy of police actions against queers, etc.

I'd be happy to look for the names on the hit list. I'm on vacation right now, so have the time. As to the White Night riots, I have many links in my bookmarks already. Don't know why I never bothered to check out Wiki's coverage of it. I firmly agree that these incidents were important milestones in gay history, and not only because I was a participant. :) They really awakened the world to the continuing opression of gays, as well as setting Dianne Feinstein on her path to national power. I'm glad I stumbled upon the articles. I was sort of looking for a new Wiki challenge. Jeffpw 16:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

"Rant Nonsense" on Gay pride article

I don't appreciate being dismissed as having contributed "nonsense". The sentence made sense, that some of the LGBT crowd do not appreciate Gay Pride as they fear it does more damage than good for the gay cause, and the link I provided works fine, it is a download link to download an MP3, the only thing I screwed up on was the layout of the citation thing. But I'd appreciate this being put back in, as it has a gay comedian expressing a controversial view within the gay community. Hope you can sort it soon. TR 16:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

As I wrote in my edit summary "removing "rant" link as nonsense, prodded user for constructive edit instead."

"However many of the LGBT crowd also oppose Gay Pride, feeling it does more damage for the cause than good, as explained by gay comedian, 2 Gryphon."

This first part was wonky and needed clean-up as why the crowd thought it did more damage than good. The rambling rant was far from encyclopedic and I regret having to listen to most of the lengthy tirade. WP is not a soapbox. I suggest you get a concise quote that encapsulates the ideas 2 Gryphon presents or find a noteworthy critic who's able to say the same thing with far fewer words and some appreciation for clarity and brevity. Benjiboi 00:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Static pixel sizes (Drag queen article)

Hi

I noticed that you added static pixel sizes to all the images in the Drag queen article. I realise that you might not be aware of it, but in WP:XIMG#New syntax for images, it says: From m:MediaWiki 1.5 the default thumbnail width can be set in the preferences, so it is recommended not to specify "px", in order to respect the users' preferences (unless, for a special reason, a specific size is required regardless of preferences, or a size is specified outside the range of widths 120–300px that can be set in the preferences).

I don't believe that there is a special reason why the images in that article need to have static pixel sizes. I'd suggest that, if you feel that there is a special reason to set static pixel sizes in an article, you should probably discuss it on the article's talk page first. --AliceJMarkham 23:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe most users (especially newer ones) are aware of setting image size preferences to images. I'm not terribly bothered if the images are larger or simply the smallest possible in this article. However, since the subject of the article is predominantly about appearances it would seem that visual information aids in understanding the subject to the average reader so I welcome any effort to find a way to increase the image sizes for this article. Benjiboi 00:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Given that I run a preference size of 300px (and would go larger if the option existed), your setting static sizes had the effect of reducing the image sizes for me. Actually, your comment has inspired me to look into asking a question about setting image sizes based on browser window width. Someone else was saying that they'd like to be able to set the images to a percentage of browser window width. Now I just have to figure out where to ask the questions. :) --AliceJMarkham 00:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol! Per your inspiration I eventually found the image size preference under files and quickly set mine to 300px as well. As for where to ask you might lean towards Wikipedia:Image use policy. Thank you in advance! Benjiboi 00:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)